MH17 spin-off

[Agfaritsrats]

according to the screen seen on FR24, airlines continue to fly east of and the east-ukrain border, some 10-50 30 km east of it.
like IN302 / IN302 just now.
No danger ? (to them?)

[polderbaan]

You're undoubtedly right, but 14.15 UTC is what I read most often. And the dutch news mentioned 16.15 dutch time. So from the media it does not become clear.

Contact was lost at 15.15 Dutch time, not 16.15, that makes it only three hours.

Erwin

[Stratofreighter]

A rather unlucky Australian family:
http://www.news.com.au/national/burrows ... 6993905493

Burrows family from Biloela, who lost family in missing flight MH370, mourning again after Malaysia Airlines MH17 shot down

[Stratofreighter]

Footage released by Ukrainian authorities reported to be a Buk missile system being transported on a low-loader yesterday with two missiles missing:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/nieuws/buite ... en___.html

Even more film footage at the "Daily Wail":
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -MH17.html

Suspicious: Ukrainian spies reportedly filmed the launcher used in the attack being smuggled to Russia - with two missiles missing

Also:
http://avherald.com/h?article=47770f9d&opt=0

Ukrainian separatists had initially claimed they had shot down another Ukrainian Airforce AN-26, the comments were and references to them are currently being deleted across the Internet.

Separatists of the self pronounced Republic of Donetsk had also shown off with ground to air missiles capable to down airliners in the last couple of days, these videos and messages are currently being deleted as well.

See below the images of Igor Girkin's (Strelkov's) website http://vk.com/strelkov_info retrieved at 15:22Z and at 23:00Z on Jul 17th 2014.

Igor Girkin is commander of the Donbass People's Milita. Igor Girkin wrote at 17:37 MSK as first sentence: "Message from the Militia: In the area Snizhne just knocked down an AN-26 lying somewhere in the mine 'Progress'" - this sentence later disappeared and is not present anymore on the current web page, the sentence however is still verifyable from Internet caches.

[Nilson]

This will be our 9-11!

RIP

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[mennie]

Are there any recordings from ATC when it was above the Ukraine?

FlightAware ADS-B data:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS1 ... /EHAM/WMKK
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS1 ... ogle_earth

[hammarö]

Tenty more victims today in Luhansk by Russian separatists. Just for fun!! With Russian heavy weapons.
Is it not enough with yesterday?

twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/490117272422588416

Why don´t cover Russian media this one.

[hammarö]

Europool is the European agency who control every flight in Europe.
They decide if a flight is not safe, and say no if the flight is to dangerous.
They allowed the Malaysian flight.
The Eastern Ukraine is now closed for air flights by Europool.

Object me if I not are right.

[Stratofreighter]

Apparently the Buk missile system / 9K37 / SA-11 Gadfly can rather easily be operated by a not-so-experienced crew.
Well, if you leave out a lengthy "aircraft tracking AND identification procedure" in the training process, that is...

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5437 ... ost8568887

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviation ... ost8568961

Yes, he's got a lot of professional experience with RAF-operated radars dating from the 1980s to the 2000s, plus the odd ex-Soviet system or two...

[Stratofreighter]

Certainly worth a read is
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... 17-removed
now, and not just because of

As the UN security council called for a "full, thorough independent international investigation" into the downing of the plane, concern that a cover-up was under way was fuelled by a standoff
at part of the crash site between observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and rebel gunmen,
which ended with a warning shot being fired.

But hopes are not high.
The OSCE was trying to gain access to one part of the large crash site but the commander of a rebel unit,
known as Commander Glum,
blocked them.
After the warning shot, the OSCE convoy departed.

[hammarö]

It is important that the OSSE 30 persons on crash site find type of missiles used. Ie evidence for rocket and missile launcher used.

Other way is to play the information of the signals used. Someone must have recorded the signals from missiles and radars used.

Information about the SA-11 Gadfly Buk.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html
The Australian source is one of the best. It says that the Buk, if used, need a very trained operator.

[hammarö]

Swedish-flight 100 seconds from MH17

Singapore Airlines flight was 100 seconds behind when MH17 attacked.

The plane took off from Copenhagen and according to Aftonbladet were several Swedes on board.

United States beat yesterday stated that MH17 was shot down by an air defense missile. If the target was randomly chosen is unclear.

The same day as the attack took place flew 55 planes over the area in eastern Ukraine. A plane lifted from Kastrup was eerily close when the attack occurred.

Singapore Airlines plane with the designation SQ351 was also a Boeing 777 and was only 24 kilometers behind the disaster plane.

"Hundreds of flights every day"

According Sydsvenskan drove the plane into 905 km / h and was just one minute and forty seconds behind MH17.

Singapore Airlines and SAS is known as a codeshare agreement. As a traveler, you can therefore book a ticket with the flight on SAS website.

- That is correct. But the flight is not operated by SAS.

The plane was so close MH17 wants Johansen did not give any further comment on. After the attack flights is grounded over eastern Ukraine.

- Over this airspace, it is hundreds of flights daily. The operative organizer is the person responsible.

Swedes on the way to conference

According to information provided to Aftonbladet were several Swedes on board SQ351. Some would take part in the 20th International AIDS Conference held in Melbourne, Australia.

Knut Morten Johansen announces that he is unable to obtain data on passengers and refers to Singapore Airlines.

Over 100 of those who died aboard the MH17 were heading to the same conference. Among the victims were several leading AIDS researchers. One of them was the world renowned Dutch scholar Joep Lange.

- I will, of course, appalled. As international aviation is so developed is this totally unexpected, says Lars-Olof Cold Ings, 84, former general secretary of the International AIDS Society, IAS, who had several old colleagues on board.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19243270.ab

[hammarö]

Satellite images are said to show the attack .

Intelligence sources in the U.S. have satellite images showing smoke from the exhaust after a rocket was fired at the Malaysian plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine, and cost 298 people their lives. While complaining OSCE observers that they do not have access to the crash site.

Intelligence sources in the U.S. have satellite images showing smoke from the exhaust after a rocket was fired at the Malaysian plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine, and cost 298 people their lives. While complaining OSCE observers that they do not have access to the crash site.

Information from the satellite shows that the rocket was fired in a region at the Russian-Ukrainian border, dominated by pro-Russian separatists, say officials. The information includes data from infrared sensors that detected when the aircraft exploded in the air.

Some of the conclusions are based on technical data from advanced spy satellites whose use is to warn if intercontinental missiles fired. The U.S. assessment is that the plane probably shot down by anti-aircraft system SA-11, also called Buk, from a separatist hideout in eastern Ukraine.

The authorities are now trying to determine who shot off the rocket, if Russian operators participated and how the gun came to the territory held by the pro-Russian rebels.

Pentagon, White House and UN Ambassador Samantha Power have all publicly indicated that, because the SA-11 is such a sophisticated weapon systems, the person who fired the rocket with Russian training or help to cope with it.

U.S. President Barack Obama hit on Friday stated that the Malaysian plane was shot down by an anti-aircraft rocket fired from the rebel controlled area.

Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, OSCE, had up to 20 international obseravtörer in place at the crash site outside the village Grabovo on Friday. But the members claimed that they did not get enough access to the area and said they were stopped by local illegal groups, according to the BBC.

The group says that the response from what was assumed to be pro-Russian militia was hostile.

- There seemed to be someone who was in control, says Michael Bociurkiw, spokesman for the OSCE team to CNN.

The group only stayed for about 75 minutes at the site and could examine only a 200 meter wide area before they were forced to leave.

The U.S. authorities are critical.

"The observers should be allowed access to the site for MH17's crash. U.S. worried a lot of reports that separatists deny access, "writes Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, on Twitter according to CNN.

The Ukrainian government will be responsible for the investigation of the plane crash, but the U.S. will send two investigators from the FBI to assist the authorities.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/satell ... -attacken/

[hammarö]

Only 100 seconds after MH-17 flew SQ351 started a Boeing 777 from Singapore Airlines from Copenhagen Kastrup. It was only 24 kilometers behind the disaster plane. The same day as the attack took place flew 55 planes over the area in eastern Ukraine. The plane lifted from Kastrup was eerily close when the attack occurred.

A very good grafik över Central Europe show the picture very well.
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sas-fli ... er-senare/

[Stratofreighter]

This journalist is on the crash scene right now this Saturday afternoon:
https://twitter.com/maxseddon

The observations he sents through this tweets will make some people's blood boil,
but Max is right on the mark...