Datangshan, China 11-08-2007

P.Terlouw · Post by **P.Terlouw** » 14 Aug 2007, 10:18

This summer I went to China again and this time visited the PLAAF Aviation Museum of Datangshan. Some aircraft are in bad shape and covered with plants but still a impressive collection of older PLAAF aircraft. Here is a small impression:

P.Terlouw · Post by **P.Terlouw** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:31

and a few more.

By the way. Does anybody know what this is? It has faded US roundels and somehow the airplane looks familiar but I have no clue on the type. It was situated on the far North side of the museum in the "dump" aerea.

here are the rest

Flanker27 · Post by **Flanker27** » 14 Aug 2007, 19:20

The plane you show first in your 2nd post is the Nanchang CJ-6.
Resource: Airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... humbnails=

And of course, nice pictures.

P.Terlouw · Post by **P.Terlouw** » 14 Aug 2007, 20:54

The Nanchang CJ-6 is a two-seat propellor training aircraft which obviously this isn't. Maybe this aircraft is made of parts of a CJ-6 but that doesn't make it into one. It also don't explain the US markings.

Hans.Jacobs · Post by **Hans.Jacobs** » 15 Aug 2007, 05:26

hi Peter,
visited the museum as well in 2005, in the winter. very cold... But a very nice museum indeed. Especially nice are the north vietnamese aircraft, you dont see those every day

pretty far out of town, but guess you can combine it with a visit to the Great Wall.

Take care, and very nice shots!
HAns.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 15 Aug 2007, 07:15

Hans,
you wrote

Especially nice are the north vietnamese aircraft, you dont see those every day

I assume you mean North Korean, although a lot may have changed since I was there in 1997.

By the way, I am afraid that these are fake markings anyway.......

Peter,
10 years ago I was shocked by the presence of an Apache in Datang Shan.
Was this "AH-64" still there

Regards,
Gerard

P.Terlouw · Post by **P.Terlouw** » 15 Aug 2007, 08:18

Yes, the (wooden) AH-64 was still there. In fact some nice Western aircraft are located at the Museum like a Trojan, UH-1, F-104S, P-51.

The roads between Bejing and Xiaoshang-Datangshan are greatly improved so the taxitrip from city to museum only takes about 35-40 minutes. It is on the way to the Great Wall at Badaling.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 15 Aug 2007, 08:36

I understood it was a plastic AH-64...... "Made in China" you know

Talking about western types..... do not forget the Zimbabwan Provost and the Tanzanian Piaggio 149!

Now I remember that I am still looking for the identity of a Mi-24 in this museum. In 1997 it was parked in the cave and wore a blue camo-scheme.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Gerard

Flanker27 · Post by **Flanker27** » 15 Aug 2007, 09:11

P.Terlouw wrote:The Nanchang CJ-6 is a two-seat propellor training aircraft which obviously this isn't. Maybe this aircraft is made of parts of a CJ-6 but that doesn't make it into one. It also don't explain the US markings.

You are correct about that. Ok so they took off the nose and made it into a ??? of the USAF, but the largest part of fuselage belongs to a CJ-6. Check th landing gear and tail section, which is definitely of a CJ-6. I haven't been there, but I think it is made to look like an F-84 for some reason.

That is also what this guy says in this topic.
http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic. ... 8dc90c19f5

Hans.Jacobs · Post by **Hans.Jacobs** » 16 Aug 2007, 04:16

sorry, meant north korean of course...

. Not sure if the markings are real or not, but why would they put north korean markings on a chinese jet in any case? There's no russian markings to be found, but maybe someone can shed a light on this....

take care,
Hans.

Zipper · Post by **Zipper** » 16 Aug 2007, 08:06

Hi...

The nose of that CJ-6 looks to me as the nose of a Republic F-84 Thunderjet.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Grtz.

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » 16 Aug 2007, 23:10

Very nice photo's!

I hope to go to China next year and perhaps visit this PLAAF museum. Where can I find more info of this museum like when its open and where it is

Does someone has a full log of this? Looks like they have alot parked there!

PM me if you have any info not relevant in this topic.
Thanks

Hans.Jacobs · Post by **Hans.Jacobs** » 17 Aug 2007, 11:15

hi Eddie,
the museum is mentioned in the Lonely Planet guidebook for Beijing. It's in the middle on nowhere though, about one hour by taxi from Beijing.

take care,
Hans.

ehusmann · Post by **ehusmann** » 17 Aug 2007, 11:21

Hanz wrote:sorry, meant north korean of course... . Not sure if the markings are real or not, but why would they put north korean markings on a chinese jet in any case? There's no russian markings to be found, but maybe someone can shed a light on this....

Well, the Russians and Chinese have had pretty bad relations for a long time, so that might explain the absense of Russians in the museum. On the other hand, the Chinese have supported the North Koreans during the war there and in fact sent many ´volunteer´ divisions into the war. Also most of the North Korean AF was supplied by the Chinese. In other words, they might want to show this period of history in the museum and put some North Korean planes on display. And if you can´t get a real one, you make one!

Erwin

P.Terlouw · Post by **P.Terlouw** » 19 Aug 2007, 18:53

and a few more pics from this big museum.

For getting to the museum the taxi is the easiest way of reaching the museum. Don't mention the name Datangshan because this is the name of the local mountain and nobody knows this one. Just go by taxi to the local village of Xiaotangshan and on the main roundabout in this village the museum is already on the road signs. Xiaotangshan is easily reached since new resident aereas for the rich Beijing people are already close to this village and roads are big and smooth. From center Beijing to the museum takes about 30-40 minutes by car. Entry fee for the museum is 50 RMB (about 5 euro).