Bracciano (2008)

Sjoerd · Post by **Sjoerd** » 28 May 2008, 11:24

Hi all,

Most likely some of you visited the surroundings of Rome last weekend and surely most did the large storage at Bracciano as well! The following map we created might be of some help for all you loggers.

(I hope the Moderators allow me linking to MSF, since I'm not able to post the map otherwise)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mil-spott ... cciano%20/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However I do hope you can help us (all) out be filling in the gaps or confirming our sightings on the left of the map. They are all numbered, so pls reply your sighting with the corresponding reference number on the map.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Sjoerd

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 31 May 2008, 20:33

Hi all,

Because many people asked for it, i've added the missing serials to the map you made. Only helicopter missing is one behind the tent, but this one should be known very shortly. There are also 4+ AB206s in the green tent, two of them are 528 and 538.

here we go:

Cheers,

Sjoerd · Post by **Sjoerd** » 01 Jun 2008, 00:02

Hi Melchior,

Thanks for your updates on my map! So there were only four 206's on the rightside of the tent meaning nr 12 is missing only?

Cheers,
Sjoerd

Michiel · Post by **Michiel** » 01 Jun 2008, 16:16

Hi Melchior,
Is the code of the AB-206 638 right? I have read this one as MM80599, so the code should be 538?

Hi Crizz,
Code E.I.518 was in front of the hangar and had MM80579. Also on this platform was the E.I.510 and the AB-205 MM80446/E.I.256

Regards,

Michiel

Michiel · Post by **Michiel** » 01 Jun 2008, 16:16

Hi Melchior,
Is the code of the AB-206 638 right? I have read this one as MM80599, so the code should be 538?

Hi Crizz,
Code E.I.518 was in front of the hangar and had MM80579. Also on this platform was the E.I.510 and the AB-205 MM80446/E.I.256

Regards,

Michiel

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 01 Jun 2008, 16:17

I was checking my pictures and indeed 638 = 538.

I've changed the scheme.

Cheers,

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 03 Jun 2008, 14:42

And here is our full LOG of 28May08:

AB206A-2 MM80571 EI-510 stored in front of hangars
AB206A-2 MM80574 EI-513 stored
AB206A-2 MM80579 EI-518 stored in front of hangars
AB206C-1 MM80581 EI-520 stored
AB206C-1 MM80584 EI-523 stored
AB206C-1 MM80585 EI-524 stored
AB206A-1 MM80586 EI-525 parts only, rest at Viterbo
AB206C-1 MM80587 EI-526 stored
AB206C-1 MM80589 EI-528 In green tent
AB206C-1 MM80590 EI-529 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80593 EI-532 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80594 EI-533 stored
AB206C-1 MM80599 EI-538 stored
AB206C-1 MM80602 EI-541 stored
AB206C-1 MM80603 EI-542 stored
AB206C-1 MM80604 EI-543 stored
AB206C-1 MM80605 EI-544 stored
AB206C-1 MM80607 EI-546 stored
AB206C-1 MM80609 EI-548 stored
AB206C-1 MM80614 EI-553 stored
AB206C-1 MM80615 EI-554 stored
AB206C-1 MM80617 EI-556 stored
AB206C-1 MM80619 EI-558 stored
AB206C-1 MM80621 EI-560 stored
AB206C-1 MM80624 EI-563 stored
AB206C-1 MM80629 EI-568 stored
AB206C-1 MM80631 EI-570 stored
AB206C-1 MM80632 EI-571 stored
AB206C-1 MM80634 EI-573 stored
AB206C-1 MM80636 EI-575 stored
AB206C-1 MM80640 EI-579 stored
AB206C-1 MM80644 EI-583 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80858 EI-590 stored
AB206C-1 MM80859 EI-591 stored
AB206C-1 MM80863 EI-595 stored
AB206C-1 MM80864 EI-596 stored
AB206C-1 MM80866 EI-598 stored
AB206C-1 MM80867 EI-599 stored
AB206C-1 MM80868 EI-600 stored
AB206C-1 MM80873 EI-605 stored
AB206C-1 MM80875 EI-607 stored
AB206C-1 MM80877 EI-609 stored
AB206C-1 MM80884 EI-616 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80887 EI-619 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80889 EI-621 stored
AB206C-1 MM80895 EI-627 stored
AB206C-1 MM80897 EI-629 stored
AB206C-1 MM80898 EI-630 In green tent
AB206C-1 MM80901 EI-633 stored
AB206C-1 MM80903 EI-635 stored
AB206C-1 MM80904 EI-636 stored
AB206C-1 MM80910 EI-642 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80912 EI-644 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB206C-1 MM80914 EI-646 stored
AB206C-1 MM80915 EI-647 stored

AB205A MM80446 EI-256 stored
AB205A-1 MM80685 EI-314 1°Reggimento di Sostegno

AB212 MM81117 EI-401 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB212 MM81118 EI-402 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB212 MM81125 EI-409 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB212 MM81128 EI-412 1°Reggimento di Sostegno

AB412 MM81198 EI-455 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
AB412 MM81262 EI-462 1°Reggimento di Sostegno

A109A MM81010 EI-851 stored
A109A MM81012 EI-853 stored
A109AT MM81013 EI-854 stored
A109AT MM81014 EI-855 stored
A109CM MM81236 EI-859 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81237 EI-860 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81247 EI-870 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81249 EI-872 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81250 EI-873 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81251 EI-874 1°Reggimento di Sostegno
A109CM MM81252 EI-875 1°Reggimento di Sostegno

SM1019E MM57207 E.I.414 gate guard

Cheers,

Wijgert IJlst · Post by **Wijgert IJlst** » 03 Jun 2008, 15:06

Melchior Timmers wrote:And here is our full LOG of 28May08:

1°Reggimento di Sostegno

Wow, this is good sh*t!! Thanks Melchior...

Have you taken note of which hangars houses which helicopters? Have been here on Tuesday the 27th, and still trying to tie-up/confirm some code of choppers parked inside the hangars.

Also A Bell206 was pulled out during the morning, and parked next to the two other 206's and 205 on the tarmac. On the left side the EI-code and MM-number had been overpainted, on the right another 206 was parked... so it could not be identified by me. Have you seen this helo aswell, and can you remember which one it is?

Hope you can help. TIA!

Cheers,
Wijgert

patrick dirksen · Post by **patrick dirksen** » 03 Jun 2008, 15:29

Hi Melchior,

Many thanks for the log! Two things:
-missing from your log is MM80630/EI-569, that was parked on the main platform.
-not in the map but present in your log are EI-553, 595, 599 and 633. Where were those parked?
Thanks!

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 03 Jun 2008, 15:32

Wijgert IJlst wrote: Have you taken note of which hangars houses which helicopters?

I will ask Michael since he wrote everything down, I only took pictures so I don't have the complete picture where what was

Also A Bell206 was pulled out during the morning, a

Sam as above, I have a picture of it but is not readable either.

Do you know witch 2 A109s where parked inside the 2nd hangar from the left, on the left in the hangar and had no rotorblades.

Same as above, but I know MM81247 EI-870 was one of them (if you mean with "on the left in hangar" that the hangar is behind you)

Cheers,

Michiel · Post by **Michiel** » 03 Jun 2008, 19:54

Melchior,

Thanks a lot for the excellent LOG of Bracciano, it helps a lot for many spotters I think.

I have 4 numbers that are not on the scheme. Can you let us know where these heli's were standing:

MM80576/E.I.515
MM80614/E.I.553
MM80863/E.I.595
MM80901/E.I.633

In advance thanks a lot

Michiel

Sjoerd · Post by **Sjoerd** » 03 Jun 2008, 20:20

Hi all,

First of all special thanks to Melchior (&co) for sharing their great log!!

This certainly help a lot of us making our best efforts on the other side of the fence...

I've updated the map with stored stuff and also added a second map with our logging on Monday 26th as all hangars were partially openend. Any question and/or additions are most welcome!!

Storage part; updated with Melchiors listings but not sure what to do with the three unknown ones next to the tent (where they not there on the 28th?)

Hangars

Surely there was a lot more (also looking at your log), but this is all we could see. This is also the exact order we saw them starting from one end of the hangar wall untill there was a hangar door blocking the view on any other helo's. So no choppers blocked out!
Hangar 5 might however be an exception here, as E.I.314 was noted parked in the middle of the hangar but to me it's not clear how many helo's are parked next to it as if there was anything between E.I.314 & AB.206 E.I.529.

Also, following the image of Melchior of hangar 2, I'm pretty much convinced there were no more choppers in the hangar then the 4 mentioned in the map.

Best rgds,
Sjoerd

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 03 Jun 2008, 22:11

Sjoerd wrote:where they not there on the 28th?

On the 28th there were 3 next to each other of which the middle one is still unknown. The two in front of those that are now XXX marked were not there.

Also if I look at your drawing there are many changes in the hangars compared to the 28th

Cheers,

Sjoerd · Post by **Sjoerd** » 03 Jun 2008, 23:12

Melchior Timmers wrote:The two in front of those that are now XXX marked were not there.

Also if I look at your drawing there are many changes in the hangars compared to the 28th

Cheers,

Hi Melchior,

Ok thanks! Then they probably shifted them into the tent as my photographs definatley place them there on the 26th. Also maybe one could check for the A.109 next to the E.I.870 (in hangar 4) as it looked as if it wouldn't move for some time. I'm also interested if you might be able to ID the AB212/412 visible on the left in the below picture of hangar 2. This one has its rotorhead out so probably also didn't move for some time.

Hangar 2 (1x AB212 or 412 / E.I.412 AB212 / E.I.455 AB412)

Hangar 3 (E.I.583/ E.I.595 / E.I.642)

Hangar 4 (E.I.532 / E.I.616 / E.I.870 / E.I.8xx)

All shots taken from up-hill shot through some bushes and cropped several times, hence the bad quality! I hope this is of some help though.

Cheers,
Sjoerd

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 04 Jun 2008, 11:39

The AB212/412 on the left of the first picture has MM8119. I can't see the last digit at my picture, ans also I know see this one is not in my LOG already.

here you see it is next to 455 (412 was outside when we were there and was later positioned between the two)

Here you see the MM regi except the last digit:

I'll get back to you about the A109.

MM80576/E.I.515
MM80614/E.I.553
MM80863/E.I.595
MM80901/E.I.633

MM80576/E.I.515 = Not in the LOG anymore (type error for 518)
MM80614/E.I.553 = 95% sure this is the middle one behind the tent
MM80863/E.I.595 = Can't recall, maybe the 3rd in front of hangars.
MM80901/E.I.633 = In green tent