eerste vlucht connie aviodrome N749NL

[Stratofreighter]

This is all about the possible financial consequences if ever something would go wrong (read: an accident would occur). It has to be, because operating the Connie itself has long been catered for in terms of money, as explained before.

Erik

Ah yes, I should have been more specific...

For example: Unexpectedly changing an engine because of a major failure at an airport which is not your homebase is rather expensive...
Guess you're not referring to insurance premiums or "normal operating costs"?

No mention at all of a possible "Dutch Dakota Association"-scenario, i.e. operating with an AOC like an airline. Well, at least not yet...

What indeed still very much stands is:

Either some very smart people have been very much asleep until the last moment, or the timing of the veto was deliberate.

Some lessons have to be drawn from this if volunteers are to be retained...

[Key]

For example: Unexpectedly changing an engine because of a major failure at an airport which is not your homebase is rather expensive...
Guess you're not referring to insurance premiums or "normal operating costs"?

Insurance yes, normal operating costs no. Engine change abroad would be costly, but could be overcome - or in the worst case stop the operation for a certain period.

Actually, I was referring to the costs resulting from liability, if ever something really bad would happen: an accident with heavy damage, injuries or deaths. That is the only thing I can think of now as a reason to not even start flying (as opposed to stop flying after something happens) with regard to financial risk. And with liability and how to cover that, the rules under which the airplane is operated come into view again.

Erik

[patrick@tediek.com]

Actually, I was referring to the costs resulting from liability, if ever something really bad would happen: an accident with heavy damage, injuries or deaths. That is the only thing I can think of now as a reason to not even start flying (as opposed to stop flying after something happens) with regard to financial risk. And with liability and how to cover that, the rules under which the airplane is operated come into view again.

this issue you will have with any kind of a/c you operate. You know this before you start flying or starting up the project, so i do not understand why making all this fuz when the plane is ready to fly.

[streep]

Yes, but this airplane is "experimental" a term unknown in European aviation regulations.
This might have increased insurance fees.
** Just a thought **

[patrick@tediek.com]

Sure it might have a contribution, but it was always flying with that status.. Anyway, we will wait and see what happens.

[Key]

You know this before you start flying or starting up the project, so i do not understand why making all this fuz when the plane is ready to fly.

That is exactly the reason for the dismay among volunteers and supporters alike: why cancel the flying NOW when every aspect has been known all along? The answers we seek are not simply about the reason for the veto, but about the reason for the veto now.

Erik

[Stratofreighter]

See
http://propliners.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/ ... #314102482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

As you can read for yourselves someone made enquiries over the latter few days and he got more detailed information. The Connie flying this summer is now "off" but there is a possibility later this year! .

[Stratofreighter]

Newsletter number three was sent to the Constellation VIP-donors last Friday the 25th of September, also see http://conniesurvivors.com/1-connie_news.htm#SEP26" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

In summary, the email said that the Aviodrome still intends to fly the Constellation and is currently plowing through the time consuming paperwork required to do so. In addition to the FAA regulations, the project leader says that the organization must also comply with the Dutch/European regulations. The aircraft continues to receive mechanical attention and the project leader reports that it is airworthy and in excellent condition.

In addition to this the engines have been fine-tuned even more, some issues that arose during the taxi tests have been dealt with over the last few months. Now that the "Summer tour" is over several inspections are being conducted at the moment.

Unfortunately several authorities demand even more "paperwork" from the Aviodrome to prove that the Constellation operation will be "safe". Producing this takes time.

On another note: apparently there may be some organisational and/or personnel changes at the Holland Aviation House in the very near future. Keep a (very) close watch on the "Hollland Aviation House" over the next few weeks...

[patrick@tediek.com]

maybe a stupid question, but how come the DC2 and DC3 still fly they are even older?

I really hope they get it sorted soon...would be nice to see this old bird flying around.

[Lars]

for one, both dc2 and dc3 are probably easier technology to maintain.

both DC3's are operated under EU-ops and equivalent for many years now,. airplanes are not about age, they are about good maintenance.

[patrick@tediek.com]

airplanes are not about age, they are about good maintenance.

thanks for the info. about the maintenance, does it mean the connie was also not maintained to standard?

[Lars]

i have absolutely no involvement in the connie.. so i dont know about the actual maintenance state.

[streep]

The Constellation was originally planned to be operated by the Aviodrome crew under the FAA Experimental register.
Which results in less paper work, and can only be used for non comercial operations.
No passenger or cargo carrying ops.
It does involve the same level of maintenance work.

Thats why there are pleasure flights on the DDA DC-3s and not on the Aviodrome DC-2.


Streep

[aviodromefriend]

Update: http://www.aviodrome.nl/dagje-uit/actue ... stellation. Dus: er is nog hoop op vliegen, maar dan in 2012, indien alles op tijd is beschreven naar tevredenheid van de autoriteiten. Dit zijn nieuwe eisen van ICAO. De problemen qua certificatie van de crew zouden zijn opgelost.

Edit: saw most of the thread is in English, so here we go into translation: According to the link provided in the Dutch part of this post there is hoping for flying the Connie in 2012, if all the procedures are written down to the authorities satisfaction according to new ICAO regulations. Crew certification problems should be solved.

BTW wasn't 2012 also the year Lufthansa plans to fly its L-1649?

[Mad Viper]

Sorry for bringing this old topic back to life.

But after visiting the aviodrome site again I questioned myself what the status is of the Constellation project after the take-over. Does anyone has some info if their are stll planning to get here in the air or any other info for that mather?

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