EHAM 26-07-2019 MIL off topic

[Fink123]

1450-1550 F-RAXA TBM700,CTM1306

F-RAXA is not the registration , french army has 2 number registrations.
this one is 33.

F-RAXA is nothing , XA is the code on this TBM700. F-RAXA isn’t a plane.

[JetStar2]

Well that is how the French Air Force files their registrations on the flightplans in the official systems so I guess the air force does it also wrong. Just be happy that info is posted!

[Fink123]

Well that is how the French Air Force files their registrations on the flightplans in the official systems so I guess the air force does it also wrong. Just be happy that info is posted!

French airforce is difficult the have planes witha F-XXXX on it so it looks like it is French civil registered but it’s not , it is the code , like the DHC6’s of the french airforce.

[pjotrtje]

Apparently, the fact that a specific callsign is fixed to a specific plane isn’t a fact. F-RAXA ís a plane, it’s the French callsign for TBM700 33/XA

Anyway, enjoy her visit to AMS. (AMS isn’t a place, but it is a location indicator hinting towards a specific place.)

[Fink123]

Apparently, the fact that a specific callsign is fixed to a specific plane isn’t a fact. F-RAXA ís a plane, it’s the French callsign for TBM700 33/XA

Anyway, enjoy her visit to AMS. (AMS isn’t a place, but it is a location indicator hinting towards a specific place.)

Calsign is CTM1306 , CTM is a usual french calsign.

[Fink123]

French likes to go undercover

[frank kramer]

Funny indeed to see this discussion pop up several times a year... Especially amongst mil-spotters who want to stay away as far as possible from everything that looks "civil".

Fact of the matter is that the French military DO use FIXED radio-callsigns in the F-**** range for ALL their military aircraft. It is just not always (fully) painted on the aircraft. The Alpha Jet of the PdF that had the accident yesterday was E146/F-UHRR, the Puma at RIAT was 1219/(F-M)DAZ, Rafale C 133/4-GL is (F-UHGL) and the TBM that is scheduled for EHAM according to the flightplan is 33/(F-RA)XA. That has nothing to do with the operational callsigns they actually use (like CTM, or FAF, or Marcotte, or Athos). Nor is it certain that the aircraft mentioned in the flightplan is the one that will actually turn up (if at all).

Regarding the fixed nature: the radio-callsigns (especially of the fighters and trainers) USED to be changed when aircraft were transferred between units. However, at least 6 years ago this has officially changed and the callsign is now tied permanently to its own specific airframe. So YES, F-RAXA IS an official French military aircraft identifier (in this case for TBM700A 33), whether you like it or not.

[Canberra TT.18]

Funny indeed to see this discussion pop up several times a year... Especially amongst mil-spotters who want to stay away as far as possible from everything that looks "civil".

Fact of the matter is that the French military DO use FIXED radio-callsigns in the F-**** range for ALL their military aircraft. It is just not always (fully) painted on the aircraft. The Alpha Jet of the PdF that had the accident yesterday was E146/F-UHRR, the Puma at RIAT was 1219/(F-M)DAZ, Rafale C 133/4-GL is F-UHGL and the TBM that is scheduled for EHAM according to the flightplan is 33/(F-RA)XA. That has nothing to do with the operational callsigns they actually use (like CTM, or FAF, or Marcotte, or Athos). Nor is it certain that the aircraft mentioned in the flightplan is the one that will actually turn up (if at all).

Regarding the fixed nature: the radio-callsigns (especially of the fighters and trainers) USED to be changed when aircraft were transferred between units. However, at least 6 years ago this has officially changed and the callsign is now tied permanently to its own specific airframe. So YES, F-RAXA IS an official French military aircraft identifier (in this case for TBM700A 33), whether you like it or not.

Even more so French Falcon 2000s carry F-RAFC and F-RAFD on the out side on no further markings or registration.
A400's carry serial and call-sign/registration and no code.
So there is quit some variation.

P

[frank kramer]

I rest my case

[frank kramer]

Correct! I was only explaining the principles behind the French system, I don't pretend to know which TBM will actually turn up (if it's not cancelled)...

[frank kramer]

Happy hunting there Ben!

[Fink123]

Which would tally with Ben's update, as 104 is (F-RA)XJ. We'll see shortly

104 registration with the code XJ.

As stated earlier, registration 104/F-RAXJ and code XJ

Use scramble datasbase F-RAXJ doesn’t match with a TBM , 104 registration and XJ for the code , but Some people post pictures with F-RA and than the code so that looks like a civil registration.


By the way , airforce plane inbound and not as Expected a army plane.

[Arjenp]

Use scramble datasbase F-RAXJ doesn’t match with a TBM , 104 registration and XJ for the code

Incorrect.
104 XJ TBM-700A 104 ET00.043 Active feb18 apr18 c/s F-RAXJ

Do you still not believe they use the F-registrations for flightplans Let me back go in fightplan time

FMAXM
FRAVK
FRAXA
FRAXD
FRAXE
FRAXH
FRAXI
FRAXJ
FRAXK
FRAXL
FRAXM
FRAXN
FRAXO
FRAXP
FRAXQ
FRAXR
FRAXS
FRAXZ
FRAZZ

All Cotam flightplans with TMB's.

[Fink123]

Use scramble datasbase F-RAXJ doesn’t match with a TBM , 104 registration and XJ for the code

Incorrect.
104 XJ TBM-700A 104 ET00.043 Active feb18 apr18 c/s F-RAXJ

Do you still not believe they use the F-registrations for flightplans Let me back go in fightplan time

FMAXM
FRAVK
FRAXA
FRAXD
FRAXE
FRAXH
FRAXI
FRAXJ
FRAXK
FRAXL
FRAXM
FRAXN
FRAXO
FRAXP
FRAXQ
FRAXR
FRAXS
FRAXZ
FRAZZ

All Cotam flightplans with TMB's.

I do , but wanted to let you Guys know that that’s not the registration.

[Canberra TT.18]

By the way , airforce plane inbound and not as Expected a army plane.

Nothing unexpected about that, as CTM is an Air Force callsign

That’s strange than , 33 was Expected and that’s a army one.

ALAT use 3 letter codes ABx
AdlA use 2 letter codes Xx
CEV DGA use 2 letter codes Bx (rare)
Codes all part of the F-xxxx c/s