Tag der Bundeswehr Fassberg 15-6-2019

[Starman]

EvD & E-J, bit confused by some of these dates / c/ns because in my book (OK the parchment is beginning to fade a bit...)

1046 79+26 - I have c/n 1046 as 44048 in 2006-2007 then 44122 in 2009-2011 with 79+04 becoming c/n 1043. Which is correct?
1111 78+21 - formerly 44115 & 98+56
1122 78+32 built 11.2015 - well bits of it were seen in 2013 so "assembled 2015" maybe
1124 (78+34) - and parts of this noted in 2009!
1140 79+08 built 02.2017 - again, parts seen in 2009 as 44158 so "assembled" or am I missing something?


Anyone get a good look in Hangar 7?

[ben_sadler]

The 6 NH90s in hangar 8 (technical training) were:

MTR+1B NH90 - Training Airframe
MTR+02 NH90 - Training Airframe
78+18 NH90
78+10 NH90
79+26 NH90
78+05 NH90

HTH

Ben

[Otto11]

Anyone for the Dakota flying saturday around 13:30? Many thanks

[Michiel62]

Dakota which took off on Sat around 13:30 was F-AZOX. It flew later in formation with 50+77 and 54+22
Michiel

[Michiel62]

Hangar 6 where 2 camo with orange Do-27 were visible and a Bo-105. Anyone for those serials? Do-27 should be 55+02 and 55+56 as show the pictures on Eurodemobbed?

Erik, I went into the hangar. DO27's were indeed 55+02 and D-EFAU (55+56). BO105 was 87+12
Michiel

[erik_kamphuis]

Thanks Michiel for serials hangar 6.

[EvD]

Hey Starman!

The 440xxx numbers are production control numbers, used in the factory to get all the pieces needed for one aircraft together.
Normally, these have a prefix for mayor components, like EP. Don't ask me which prefixes are in use or what they mean

For specific frames, see below:

EvD & E-J, bit confused by some of these dates / c/ns because in my book (OK the parchment is beginning to fade a bit...)

1046 79+26 - I have c/n 1046 as 44048 in 2006-2007 then 44122 in 2009-2011 with 79+04 becoming c/n 1043. Which is correct?

440048 is 1046 and used to be marked 79+04/TGEF03/GAF004, dec08 as 98+99, nov09 as 79+26/TGEE026 (so it was 79+04 (1))
440122 is 1136 and used to be marked 79+11/GAF011, later 79+04/TGEE004 (so it is 79+04(2))

1111 78+21 - formerly 44115 & 98+56

Indeed, also GEAR21 and now TGEA0021

1122 78+32 built 11.2015 - well bits of it were seen in 2013 so "assembled 2015" maybe

The date refers to what is put on the c/n plate. Also TGEA0032 formerly GEAR032
That plate is only applied in the very final stages, just before acceptance. It was last noted prior delivery sep15.

1124 (78+34) - and parts of this noted in 2009!

Indeed, TGEA0034 formerly GEAR034

1140 79+08 built 02.2017 - again, parts seen in 2009 as 44158 so "assembled" or am I missing something?

Another code 'sammler' now TGEE008, formerly GAF015, GEAF015, TGAF015 and 98+50. Pre-delivery in early 2016.

[EvD]

with 79+04 becoming c/n 1043. Which is correct?

Oh, and 1043 is 79+25 TGEE025 formerly 79+03(1)/TGEF02/TGEA003. Also ex 98+97.

After some careful scrutiny leading up to this year's Scramble SMS Europe, that and the Germany online database have the correct list.
Obviously, every check helps to (re)confirm that!

[AndyMarden]

One other "c/n" checked:

Mock up "MTR+1A" was 0001, 8.14

[AndyMarden]

Did someone actually read anything on the unmarked Bo105 at the static (its c/n plate was removed) which had a peace of paper in the window marked 6168. This belongs to 8768 which was reported at Grand Central, South Africa, in 2018

Indeed. 87+68/6168 is now registered as ZU-HBO, so they either made a mistake, or had been getting training from the people at Fleetlands who used to change the serials on open days....

[EvD]

Did someone actually read anything on the unmarked Bo105 at the static (its c/n plate was removed) which had a peace of paper in the window marked 6168. This belongs to 8768 which was reported at Grand Central, South Africa, in 2018

Indeed. 87+68/6168 is now registered as ZU-HBO, so they either made a mistake, or had been getting training from the people at Fleetlands who used to change the serials on open days....

Correct. In September 2018 it was in Hangar K at Grand Central, still green camo, read the plate myself...
At Fassberg, 6168 was written by pencil upside down inside the nose panel, also read that.
Obviously, an easily exchangeable part...
Also, the engine cowlings were of the bulgy LS-A3 variety.

[planefixer]

Regarding NH90 c/n 1046

In the Scramble online database c/n 1046:

79+51 NGEN001/1046 ex 98+51

Also listed as

79+26 TGEE26/GEAF04/1046 ex 98+99

So which is correct??

[EvD]

NH-90-NFH 79+51 is not 1046, I do not know what its correct msn is.
Said msn used to be tied to NGEN01 but I do not know how that came about, maybe a misread for 1346 (the NFH should have a much higher msn than the 10xx series), who knows...
We have it marked as a conflict.

[planefixer]

NH-90-NFH 79+51 is not 1046, I do not know what its correct msn is.
Said msn used to be tied to NGEN01 but I do not know how that came about, maybe a misread for 1346 (the NFH should have a much higher msn than the 10xx series), who knows...
We have it marked as a conflict.

Thanks for that, I thought that would be the case, the reason I asked is that I have the following in my notes [which unfortunately I didn't note down where the report came from] "1046 noted Airbus Helicopters 06/2016 being converted to NH90-NFH" which is obviously incorrect, as you say.

Can someone then, remove 1046 from 79+51 in the Scramble database?

[leonard van T]

Fassberg, 15 june 2019:
84+33 CH-53GA HSG 64
84+37 CH-53GA HSG 64

Hangar:
84+92 CH-53GE HSG 64

I suspect these tree are instructional air frames at Fassberg/TAusbZLw Nord (formely known as TSLw3)
all three where also present during the open house 10jun2017 and all thee have not been noted after dec16 according to Scramble db.
coincident .... or not ?

Leonard