RETURNING to USA..: US Army 4th CAB,4th Infantry Div. heli's

[AmericanSoldier15U]

Hi
Thanks , will be in the Area tomorrow.

All choppers to Katterbach or some to Storck ?


Regards
CG

All AH-64s should be at Storck. All CH-47s to Katterbach. I am unsure about the country-wide breakdown of H-60s. There are so many of them!

[Custard Gannet]

Hi .. thanks for your reply

Hopefully not too long before 4 CAB AH-64’s turn up !?

Cheers
CG

[Arjan]

Can't remember where, but I believe to have read that the Apaches are deployed to the far east or something. 4 Cab will only show up with Chinooks and Blackhawks in Europe.

[Nilson]

Can't remember where, but I believe to have read that the Apaches are deployed to the far east or something. 4 Cab will only show up with Chinooks and Blackhawks in Europe.

That is correct. Source Facebook 4CAB.

[Custard Gannet]

Hi
Indeed that was the initial info ... however Scramble FB page says that is now not the case .
The official blurb from US Army Europe states
54 Blackhawk
24 Apache
12 Chinook ...
For this deployment... Europe wide

Fort Carson has 2 Apache units I believe

Cheers
CG

[Nilson]

Hi
Indeed that was the initial info ... however Scramble FB page says that is now not the case .
The official blurb from US Army Europe states
54 Blackhawk
24 Apache
12 Chinook ...
For this deployment... Europe wide

Fort Carson has 2 Apache units I believe

Cheers
CG

Ah missed that, good news!!!

[Arjan]

Ah yes, just read that myself. Well that's good news but it also states that the Apaches will arrive later. Not when, where and how unfortunetaly. Will not be surprised if these arrive by airfreight on Ramstein.

[AmericanSoldier15U]

Hi
Indeed that was the initial info ... however Scramble FB page says that is now not the case .
The official blurb from US Army Europe states
54 Blackhawk
24 Apache
12 Chinook ...
For this deployment... Europe wide

Fort Carson has 2 Apache units I believe

Cheers
CG

Yes makes sense. remember that when the OH-58D was retired, AH-64s filled their spots in the scout role, in Air Cavalry units.

[CurrentOps]

Based on their FB, it looks like 6th Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment (Fort Carson) will deploy in support of Operation Inherent Resolve (not 100% sure though). In that case it's either 4th Battalion, 4th Aviation Regiment (also Fort Carson) or a battalion from another Brigade that will deploy to Europe soon.

[Le Addeur noir]

Hi
Thanks , will be in the Area tomorrow.

All choppers to Katterbach or some to Storck ?


Regards
CG

Med HH-60Ms at Katterbach and the other to Storck, if what has happened on previous deployments is followed.

[Custard Gannet]

indeed ... that’s why I asked the question

[AmericanSoldier15U]

Hi
Thanks , will be in the Area tomorrow.

All choppers to Katterbach or some to Storck ?


Regards
CG

Med HH-60Ms at Katterbach and the other to Storck, if what has happened on previous deployments is followed.

In addition to the med birds, 227th (1st Cav) had UH-60Ls at Katterbach. Unsure if all of them, but some of them at least were VIP/C2 birds.

[Olli J.]

The US Patriot is in the harbour of Zeebrugge since this morning. Can anyone confirm that the 1CAB helos are still outside or did they start the loading?

[Numbercruncher]

So, browsing through the several topics, the flying transit of 4CAB through the Netherlands seems to have been as follows:

H-E => Harbour (Rotterdam) to Eindhoven
E-D => Eindhoven to Deutschland (Wiesbaden)
H-D => Harbour (Rotterdam) to Deutschland (Wiesbaden)

21st of June
H-E 13:30 5 x Blackhawk
20880 20882 20883 20888 20914
H-E 16:20-16:35 Army08188 2 Chinooks en 3 Blackhawk
15-08188, 15-08192 20939 20940 20941
H-E 16:40 Army20835 5 x Blackhawk
20835, 20837, 20842, 20885, 20916
H-E 20:10 Army20840 5 x Blackhawk
20845 20843 20840 20849 20841
H-D 20:40 R9826810 2 x Blackhawk => direct Germany

H-D 20:40 R9326497 2 x Blackhawk => direct Germany

H-E 20:42 R08184 2 x Chinook
15-08184 and 15-08465
H-E 21:40 3 x Blackhawk
26425, 26297, 26589

=> Nightstop at Eindhoven 21 x Blackhawk, 4 x Chinook
20880 20882 20883 20888 20914
15-08188, 15-08192 20939 20940 20941
20835, 20837, 20842, 20885, 20916
15-08184 and 15-08465
26425, 26297, 26589
20845 20843 20840 20849 20841

22nd of June
E-D 08:07 8 x Blackhawk
20939 20940 20941 20880 20882 20883 20888 20914
E-D 08:20 2 x Chinook
15-08188, 15-08192
E-D 09:00 5 x Blackhawk
20835, 20837, 20842, 20885, 20916
XXX 09:30 3 x Blackhawk overhead, These are assumed to be from Gilze exercise, so not related, but mentioned for completeness
H-E 10:00-10:35 R20886 5 x Blackhawk
20879 20884 20886 20891 20915
E-D 10:30 R20840
20845 20843 20840 20849 20841
E-D 11:25 3 x Blackhawk
26425, 26297, 26589
H-E 12:00-12:40 2 x Chinook
15-08185, 15-08187
E-D 12:13 R20886 5 x Blackhawk
20915, 20891, 20886, 20879, 20884
H-E 13:00-13:30 5 x Blackhawk
20836, 20846, 20848, 20847, 20852
H-E 15:00-15:30 R08186 2 x CH-47
15-08186, 15-08191
E-D 15:25 R20836 5 x Blackhawk
20836, 20846, 20848, 20847, 20852
H-E 15:15 R20871 6 x Blackhawk
20942, 20874, 20871, 20938, 20872, 20873
E-D 17:00 6 x Chinook
15-08187, 15-08465, 15-08184, 15-08191, 15-08186, 15-08185
E-D 17:45 6x Blackhawk
20942, 20874, 20871, 20938, 20872, 20873
H-E 18:12-18:44 6 x hh-60A [ 17-20943, 13-20602]
13-20601,20602, 17-20943,20944, 20946 and ... (reported as 20946 again) [From flightplans]
E-D 19:45 6 x Blackhawk [ 17-20943, 13-20602]
13-20601,20602 , 17-20943,20944,20946 and ... (reported as 20946 again) [From flightplans]
H-E 20:35-21:05 R08190 2 x CH-47, 2 x Blackhawk
15-08464, 15-08190 CH-47, 20838 UH-60M, 0-26569 UH-60L
H-E 21:20-21:42 R08189 2 x Chinook
15-08189, 15-08193

=> Nightstop @ Eindhoven 4x Chinook, 2 x Blackhawk
15-08189, 15-08193
15-08464, 15-08190
20838
0-26569

EDITS so far:
some serial additions, added one (forgotten) flight
error in 3 of 8 Blackhawks departing 22nd 08:07
2errors in list of 6 blackhawks H-E (20874 twice and 20936 should be 20938)
Highlighted error with double serial 20946
Mystery of 20938 resolved, note:that also changes the number that stayed overnight!!


And as a bonus, these are the numbers of the helicopters which came to Europe (any similarity with a previously published list is strictly because it's about the same helicopters):
15-08184 CH-47F*
15-08185 CH-47F
15-08186 CH-47F
15-08187 CH-47F
15-08188 CH-47F*
15-08189 CH-47F**
15-08190 CH-47F**
15-08191 CH-47F
15-08192 CH-47F*
15-08193 CH-47F**
15-08464 CH-47F**
15-08465 CH-47F*
90-26297 UH-60L*
92-26425 UH-60L*
93-26497 UH-60L~
94-26569 UH-60L**
94-26589 UH-60L*
98-26810 UH-60L~
UH-60L~
UH-60L~
13-20601 HH-60M
13-20602 HH-60M
16-20835 UH-60M*
16-20836 UH-60M
16-20837 UH-60M*
16-20838 UH-60M**
16-20840 UH-60M*
16-20841 UH-60M*
16-20842 UH-60M*
16-20843 UH-60M*
16-20845 UH-60M*
16-20846 UH-60M
16-20847 UH-60M
16-20848 UH-60M
16-20849 UH-60M*
16-20852 UH-60M
16-20871 HH-60M
16-20872 HH-60M
16-20873 HH-60M
16-20874 HH-60M
16-20879 UH-60M
16-20880 UH-60M*
16-20882 UH-60M*
16-20883 UH-60M*
16-20884 UH-60M
16-20885 UH-60M*
16-20886 UH-60M
16-20888 UH-60M*
16-20891 UH-60M
16-20914 UH-60M*
16-20915 UH-60M
16-20916 UH-60M*
17-20938 HH-60M
17-20939 HH-60M
17-20940 HH-60M*
17-20941 HH-60M*
17-20942 HH-60M
17-20943 HH-60M
17-20944 HH-60M
17-20945 HH-60M
17-20946 HH-60M

* = Nightstop EHV 21/22-6
**= Nightstop EHV 22/23-6
~ = Never landed at EHV

[Buccaneer S.2B]

Well done job !