Saint-Dizier (LFSI) - 2009 MIL

[perrie]

There was one Rafale parked outside yesterday (around 17.00h) but due to heatwaves we couldn't read it off.


Per
Bart

[hendriks]

hi,

the Rafale was the 337.

Gr. Arie

[perrie]

Thanks Arie

Per

[Bennie]

hi,

the Rafale was the 337.

Gr. Arie

Hi Arie,

Just out of curiosity: how sure are you of this? I had a go at it with a 60x telescope around 16:30 local time, but couldn't make anything out of it other than I confirmed it to be a Rafale B

Brgds,
Ben

[Le Addeur noir]

St Dizier log for Tuesday 16 June(just back and first time on the net for nearly 3 weeks)

AT20 Alpha Jet B1 11 Sm,1 Wing app only at 10.51
569 F-ZJCS Cessna 310R-11 CEV CEV.90 arr 08.54,dep 16.18
.... CKE SA330Ba ALAT o/f around 18.30,code confirmed.
94 ABZ TBM-700 EAAT FMY4592 arr 14.45,dep 15.03
93 XL TBM-700 ETEC00.065 TCM3??? arr 09.12,dep 14.39
E32 2-FI Alpha Jet E EC05.002 app only at 09.51
530 115-OL Mirage 2000B EC02.005 arr 09.47,dep 15.34,also flew local mission.
521 115-ON Mirage 2000B EC02.005 arr 09.40,dep 15.54,also flew lacal mission.
(113) 103-YO Mirage 2000C EC01.012 arr 09.44,dep not noted.
253 132-QU Mirage F.1CT RC01.030 arr 11.01,dep 15.48
102 330-EF Rafale C EC05.330 flying missions with EC01.007
310 113-HC Rafale B EC01.007 with 311 113-HD,315 113-HK,
318 113-HM and 321 113-HQ.

[hendriks]

Hi Bennie,

as told you in a PB,

my travelmate on this trip has a great swarovski scoop. We read the number at spot 3 from the scramble airfield guide.

Greetings Arie

[Interceptorsaurus]

Hi there.

Yep, before Reims airshow I was at St Dizier at friday 260609. I had some conversation with one of the local spotters and he had been on base that same week with the St Dizier spottersgroup. According to him, a total of 15 F1's is TDY on St Dizier and will return to Reims on tuesday 300609. We counted 15 pcs on the flightline, they're not parked in shelters. One of the F1B's is the full grey one with red Gascoigne sqn-badge in the tail. From the football field on the west side do some up and down walking and you should be able to see all of them.
I had high hopes but sadly only 4 F1's flew in the afternoon, 30 mins after TO allready back on deck...
Rafales only 8 pcs, but hey, the eighties are over and then again we can still see those the coming 20 years!

Rafale B:315/113-HK--311/113-HD--326/113-HY--319/113-HN--327/113-HZ--318/113-HM--328/113-IC plus 1.
F1CT:226/112-QS--278/112-SG--236/30-QR
F1CR: 655/112-NG
M2000D: 613/113-MO
Ajet: E112/118-AO

Did not see any of the Mirage/Jaguar mentioned earlier and did not drive to the maingate as gateguards allready seen before.
Greetz,
ICS

[Patrick Moonen]

Hey,

Spend yesterday 29.06.2009, a very nice day at St Dizier. This is the result

. CWC SA.342M 1 RHC
. CWK SA.342M 1 RHC
. CWP SA.342M 1 RHC
. CWQ SA.342M 1 RHC
. CXJ SA.342M 1 RHC
. CXN SA.342M 1 RHC
. CXO SA.342M 1 RHC
. CXR SA.342M 1 RHC
. CXT SA.342M 1 RHC
605 113-LF Mirage 2000D EC 003
609 3-IF Mirage 2000D EC 01.003
614 133-JU Mirage 2000D EC 02.003
627 133-JO Mirage 2000D EC 02.003
664 133-IW Mirage 2000D EC 01.003
674 133-IR Mirage 2000D EC 01.003
233 112-QT Mirage F.1CT ER 02.033
236 30-QR Mirage F.1CT ER 02.033
273 112-QF Mirage F.1CT ER 02.033
502 112-SW Mirage F.1B ER 02.033
611 112-NM Mirage F.1CR ER 02.033
616 112-NX Mirage F.1CR ER 02.033
641 112-NI Mirage F.1CR ER 02.033
642 112-CG Mirage F.1CR ER 01.033
655 112-NG Mirage F.1CR ER 02.033
. CZA SA.330BA 1 RHC
. CZG SA.330BA 1 RHC
. CZM SA.330BA 1 RHC
. CZN SA.330BA 1 RHC
. CZQ SA.330BA 1 RHC
310 113-HC Rafale B EC 01.007
311 113-HD Rafale B EC 01.007
315 113-HK Rafale B EC 01.007
319 113-HN Rafale B EC 01.007
320 113-HV Rafale B EC 01.007
321 113-HQ Rafale B EC 01.007
326 113-HY Rafale B EC 01.007
327 113-HZ Rafale B EC 01.007
335 113-IJ Rafale B EC 01.091
336 113-IK Rafale B EC 01.091
125 XO TBM.700 ETEC 00.065

Patrick

[F17_114PM]

Hi all,

a few heli-serials from my side to the codes from Patrick. Indeed, it was a great day

1043 SA.330B French Army CZM; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
1073 SA.330B French Army CZN; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
1092 SA.330B French Army CZQ; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
1171 SA.330B French Army CZA; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
1447 SA.330B French Army CZG; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
1369 SA.341F French Army CWC; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
4218 SA.342L-1 French Army CXO; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
4220 SA.342L-1 French Army CXT; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
4227 SA.342L-1 French Army CXR; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
4228 SA.342L-1 French Army CXN; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
3459 SA.342M French Army CXJ; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
3858/3868 SA.342M French Army CWQ; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
???? SA.342M French Army CWK; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg
4179 SA.342M French Army CWP; 1.RHC, Phalsbourg

So, you see, there are 2 problems to solve
1. SA.342M CWQ -> 3858 or 3868?
2. SA.342M CWK - Serial ???

Also flying were:

650 Mirage F-1CR French Air Force 112-NZ; ER02.033, Reims
654 Mirage F-1CR French Air Force 112-NC; ER02.033, Reims
680 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-XM; EC02.003, Nancy
666 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-IQ; EC01.003, Nancy
672 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-XV; EC02.003, Nancy
635 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-AS; EC01.003, Nancy
652 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-XN; EC02.003, Nancy
625 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-XG; EC02.003, Nancy
611 Mirage 2000D French Air Force 133-JP; EC02.003, Nancy

233 & 236 Mirage F-1CT carried "CT Le Retour N´DJ 77" titles!!!

By the way, does anybody know if the is a exercise going on? I mean, so many helis and 2000D´s in St. Dizier, is not normal, isn´t it?

[Patrick Moonen]

pfff come on, I think you didn't read the numbers from the Gazelles and Pumas yourself. Everyone could take them from the DB at Scramble and others but now you suggest you readed them youreself. I sorted them out myself but removed the serials because they were not red off. And if you copy them do it right. Puma, 1043/CZM is a i/a at Bourges now and most last notes are from 2007.

And if you want to mention the serials you didn't read off yourself please report it in what sort of way.

Patrick

[F17_114PM]

Hi Patrick,
first off all, I am really shocked about your tone!!!
Do we have any disput, I didn´t know about???

Have I mentioned that I read them of myself?

I put them here, so that everybody can see them and maybe someone has any newer infos about the correct serials. Otherwise, how do you suggest to get at the correct numbers?

And, in my opinion, a database is there to be trusted ... Otherwise, why the efforts to create and maintain one ...?

Best regards

P.S.: In case you are wondering, fortunately I read the planes of by myself ...

[Pablo_ijskocar]

I put them here, so that everybody can see them and maybe someone has any newer infos about the correct serials. Otherwise, how do you suggest to get at the correct numbers?

And, in my opinion, a database is there to be trusted ... Otherwise, why the efforts to create and maintain one ...?

Hi F17_114PM,

With all due respect, I agree with Patrick (concerning content). Please state in reports when serials were actually read and when not. The databases as we know them are mainly made from logs like these. So if you don't mention in your report that (some) serials are coming straight from a database, you will find above serials in a few weeks in the same database as confirmed (last noted date will be set to June09). For me personally this will mean that unidentified SA342L1 with code 'CXN' could be 4228 when I saw it in April09 as the serial was identified as such after and before this date according the database (however in reality it was only checked in Sept07). Especially sightings of ALAT helicopters are rare (and hard to read) and unfortunately they change code regularly (only Pumas and Gazelles). Therefore looking up ALAT Pumas and Gazelles is tricky!

A database could indeed be helpful to look up serials but only if you know how to use it. Unfortunately not everyone is aware of this. Look for example at airliners.net or similar photo sites. The photographers use databases such as scramble to look up serials (as these photo sites demands a serial) while some people who update these databases use these pictures as source to update the database.

(OT:) Maybe it's an idea to present a little manual (or warning) on the same site 'how to use this database' for non-spotters as the databases are also used by people who have no clue about serials (and for example that an Italian Tornado change code regularly while an Italian C-130 don't) or what the abbreviation g/i,wfu, pre, scr or dum means under status or last and first. (OT)

To finish with some good news, Phalsbourg will be open for public in September and hopefully these sightings will help to fill in your gaps.

[F17_114PM]

Hi Pablo,

we solved the matter with Patrick personally
But of course, you have some right points here

Best regards

[Arjan]

Hi all,

Rather calm afternoon at St Dizier today;

Alpha Jet E E112/330-AO
Rafale C 102 / 330-EF (according to local spotters, temp. based here!!)

local Rafale's
315/113-HK, 325/113-HX, 319/113-HN, 321/113-HQ, 306/113-IB, 320/113-HN
110/113-IN (delivery flight??)

plus two or three more.

Best regards,

Arjan

[raameagle]

A nice log Arjan, thanks but you have two with the code 113-IB, is that correct?

Regards

Mark