Armasuisse had contacted again the three candidate for the partial replacement of the F-5E/F. The request is for 22 aircraft or 2.2 billion CHF (approx. 1.5 billion €) - that is, how many aircraft the firms can supply within this budget.
EADS, Dassault and Saab must send a new offer within mid April 2009. Then the selection of the winner will be uncovered during July 2009, and the replacement of the aircraft will start on 2010.
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15.01.2009
With the delivery of the second, updated request for proposal to the three manufacturers Dassault, EADS and Saab, the evaluation of a successor for the F-5 Tiger is proceeding as planned.
In the updated request for proposal the manufacturers are asked to submit an offer for 22 aircraft. In addition, armasuisse sets the budget at CHF 2.2 billion and inquires how many aircraft can be delivered for this amount.
In the updated request for proposal the results and data gathered from the ground and flight tests and from the first offer have been incorporated. This includes functions and performances which do not meet the military requirements. armasuisse wants to give the manufacturers the opportunity to propose respective improvements. Improvements are also sought in additional fields.
A priorisation with respect to military cooperation should guarantee that the peak demand for pilots can be covered when the new aircraft are introduced. Furthermore armasuisse investigates the possibility of conducting a training with a TTE squadron during the months of June, July and August from a base in the manufacturing country.
New ways are also examined to minimise operating costs and to ensure the competences of Swiss Industry in the field of aeronautical technologies. A strategic cooperation between the aircraft companies, armasuisse and Swiss aviation industry should enable Switzerland to participate in further developments of the TTE. In addition the possibility of reducing maintenance costs is investigated.
Offers, flight and ground tests
The two-stage process of requests for proposal began in January 2008 with the first request for proposal armasuisse addressed to the four aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Dassault, EADS and Saab. In April 2008 Boeing decided not to submit an offer. The remaining manufacturers submitted their offers in July 2008. With the delivery of the second request for proposal the manufacturers now have until mid April 2009 to submit an updated offer.
In July 2008 the flight and ground tests with the three remaining candidates began. For this purpose two two-seaters each of the „Rafale" (Dassault), „Eurofighter" (EADS) und „Gripen" (Saab) aircraft were stationed at the Emmen military airbase. The tests were completed at the beginning of December 2008.
The next steps?
The evaluation of the tests and updated offers will be concluded at the end of May 2009 with the evaluation report prepared by armasuisse in close cooperation with the Swiss Air Force. After consultation with the Chief of the Armed Forces, the National Armament Director will propose the preferred candidate to the Head of the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport (DDPS). The further schedule foresees: The selection of the aircraft type is planned for July 2009. Together with the bill on Armament Program 2010, the collective Federal Council will approve the procurement of the selected type and submit it to Swiss Parliament. Treatment of the Partial Tiger Replacement by Swiss Parliament is foreseen for 2010.
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With the delivery of the second, updated request for proposal to the three manufacturers Dassault, EADS and Saab, the evaluation of a successor for the F-5 Tiger is proceeding as planned.
In the updated request for proposal the manufacturers are asked to submit an offer for 22 aircraft. In addition, armasuisse sets the budget at CHF 2.2 billion and inquires how many aircraft can be delivered for this amount.
In the updated request for proposal the results and data gathered from the ground and flight tests and from the first offer have been incorporated. This includes functions and performances which do not meet the military requirements. armasuisse wants to give the manufacturers the opportunity to propose respective improvements. Improvements are also sought in additional fields.
A priorisation with respect to military cooperation should guarantee that the peak demand for pilots can be covered when the new aircraft are introduced. Furthermore armasuisse investigates the possibility of conducting a training with a TTE squadron during the months of June, July and August from a base in the manufacturing country.
New ways are also examined to minimise operating costs and to ensure the competences of Swiss Industry in the field of aeronautical technologies. A strategic cooperation between the aircraft companies, armasuisse and Swiss aviation industry should enable Switzerland to participate in further developments of the TTE. In addition the possibility of reducing maintenance costs is investigated.
Offers, flight and ground tests
The two-stage process of requests for proposal began in January 2008 with the first request for proposal armasuisse addressed to the four aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Dassault, EADS and Saab. In April 2008 Boeing decided not to submit an offer. The remaining manufacturers submitted their offers in July 2008. With the delivery of the second request for proposal the manufacturers now have until mid April 2009 to submit an updated offer.
In July 2008 the flight and ground tests with the three remaining candidates began. For this purpose two two-seaters each of the „Rafale" (Dassault), „Eurofighter" (EADS) und „Gripen" (Saab) aircraft were stationed at the Emmen military airbase. The tests were completed at the beginning of December 2008.
The next steps?
The evaluation of the tests and updated offers will be concluded at the end of May 2009 with the evaluation report prepared by armasuisse in close cooperation with the Swiss Air Force. After consultation with the Chief of the Armed Forces, the National Armament Director will propose the preferred candidate to the Head of the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport (DDPS). The further schedule foresees: The selection of the aircraft type is planned for July 2009. Together with the bill on Armament Program 2010, the collective Federal Council will approve the procurement of the selected type and submit it to Swiss Parliament. Treatment of the Partial Tiger Replacement by Swiss Parliament is foreseen for 2010.
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06.11.2009
On 6 November, the three manufacturer companies Dassault, EADS and Saab submitted their updated tenders for replacement of the Tiger aircraft TTE to the armasuisse within the deadline set. Extension of the original schedule necessitated an update of the tenders made. Apart from price increases, evaluations must also be able to take possible technical developments into account. For these reasons manufacturers were requested to update their bids.
On 21 October 2009, the Federal Council decided to adhere to the procurement project schedule set down in March for partial replacement of the Tiger aircraft (TTE). The security policy report is expected to be published in the spring of 2010. The procurement project will probably be applied for in conjunction with the 2011 armament programme. The evaluation report which will provide the basis for type selection is to be completed as planned in December.
Noise measurements
The noise emissions of the flight tests in 2008 have been evaluated. The DDPS will disclose information on these results within the context of a media conference in Bern. Regional information events in the communes where the jets will be based are also planned. A separate invitation for these events will follow later. They are planned for the beginning of December.
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Original article in German:
Translation using Google translate:
Ergebnisse der Lärmmessungen der Kandidaten Tiger-Teilersatz
02.12.2009
Im Rahmen der Evaluation für einen Nachfolger der F-5 Tiger – der sogenannte Tiger-Teilersatz (TTE) – wurden im Sommer und Herbst 2008 mit allen drei Kandidaten in der Schweiz Lärmmessungen durchgeführt. Die Eidgenössischen Materialprüfungs- und Forschungsanstalt (EMPA) hat im Auftrag von armasuisse, welche den TTE evaluiert, entsprechende Lärmmessungen und -berechnungen durchgeführt. Fazit: Die drei Kandidaten sind lauter als der Tiger. Sie gehören in die gleiche Lärmkategorie wie der von der Luftwaffe ebenfalls eingesetzte F/A-18 Hornet.
Im Sommer und Herbst wurden in der Schweiz umfangreiche Tests mit möglichen Nachfolgern für die operationell veralteten F-5 Tiger durchgeführt. Neben einer Reihe von Kriterien wie beispielsweise operationelle Leistungsfähigkeit, Schweizer Industriebeteiligung und Kosten ist auch der Lärm ein Kriterium in der Evaluation.
Aus diesem Grund hat die Eidgenössische Materialprüfungs- und Forschungsanstalt (EMPA) im Auftrag von armasuisse, welche den TTE evaluiert, entsprechende Lärmmessungen und -berechnungen durchgeführt. Die Ergebnisse liegen nun vor.
armasuisse präsentierte die Ergebnisse der Lärmmessungen und erläuterte den Prozess. Die Ergebnisse lassen sich wie folgt zusammenfassen: Die drei Kandidaten sind lauter als der Tiger. Sie gehören in die gleiche Lärmkategorie wie die F/A-18 Hornet. Die Luftwaffe ist sich der Problematik der Lärmbelastung bewusst und hat als Vorgabe die negativen Auswirkungen des Lärms zu minimieren. Die Start- und Landeverfahren werden deshalb regelmässig überprüft und soweit möglich optimiert.
Translation using Google translate:
Source: http://www.ar.admin.ch/internet/armasui ... 1.nsb.htmlResults of noise measurements of the candidates Partial Tiger Replacement
02/12/2009
As part of the evaluation for a successor to the F-5 Tiger - called the Partial Tiger Replacement (TTE) - were in the summer and autumn of 2008 with all three candidates in Switzerland conducted noise measurements. The Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Testing and Research (EMPA) was commissioned by armasuisse which the TTE evaluated, corresponding noise measurements and calculations performed. Conclusion: The three candidates are louder than the tiger. They belong Hornet in the same category as the noise from the Air Force also deployed F/A-18.
In summer and autumn in Switzerland has been extensive testing of a possible successor for the aging F-5 Tiger operationally implemented. Besides a number of criteria such as operational efficiency, Swiss industrial participation and cost of the noise is also a criterion in the evaluation.
For this reason, the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Testing and Research (EMPA) on behalf of armasuisse, which has the PTR is evaluated, corresponding noise measurements and calculations performed. The results are now available.
armasuisse presented the results of noise measurements and explained the process. The results can be summarized as follows: The three candidates are louder than the tiger. They belong in the same category as the noise F/A-18 Hornet. The Air Force is aware of the problem of noise pollution and has a target to minimize the negative effects of noise. The take-off and landing procedures be reviewed regularly and where possible improved.