Heya,
Ive been having a discussion with a buddy of mine..
Right now he`s claiming that to take the best pictures you need great equipment.. (as in semi-pro camera with a canon L lens)
And i`m saying that a good photographer does not need top of the range equipment to take great pictures, its more about the guy behind the camera then the camera infront of the guy.
The discussions started because a friend of his bought the 100-400L lens, and i said that the new 120-400 from Sigma is most likely equal in performance, less of a status symbol, and almost 600 euro`s cheaper..
We cant agree so i thought i`d ask my good friends at scramble for their opinion.
Do you need a great camera/lens to make good photo`s?...
Photo Quality, photographer or equipment?.
Forum rules
- sp00k
- Scramble Senior
- Posts: 331
- Joined: 23 Nov 2007, 10:28
- Type of spotter: Photography, preferably 70/80`s Military Jets
- Subscriber Scramble: sp00k
- Location: Amersfoort, NL.
Photo Quality, photographer or equipment?.
Soesterberg AB Spotter '84-'96
http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42602
May be this is an interesting topic for you
Greetz, René
May be this is an interesting topic for you
Greetz, René
- sp00k
- Scramble Senior
- Posts: 331
- Joined: 23 Nov 2007, 10:28
- Type of spotter: Photography, preferably 70/80`s Military Jets
- Subscriber Scramble: sp00k
- Location: Amersfoort, NL.
Nice replies
On the 1st one, the thing i mostly saw in that thread was that people rely to much on Photoshop.
An underlit photo is not the problem of the camera.. its the guy behind it so relying on Photoshop to correct it, isnt photographing.. its capturing an image then editing it till its "good".
Myself ive only used photoshop to crop, or to change the color of my nephews shirt.. not to improve a picture that 10-15 years ago would have gone in the "failed" bin.
On the 1st one, the thing i mostly saw in that thread was that people rely to much on Photoshop.
An underlit photo is not the problem of the camera.. its the guy behind it so relying on Photoshop to correct it, isnt photographing.. its capturing an image then editing it till its "good".
Myself ive only used photoshop to crop, or to change the color of my nephews shirt.. not to improve a picture that 10-15 years ago would have gone in the "failed" bin.
Soesterberg AB Spotter '84-'96
- Key
- Site Admin
- Posts: 11288
- Joined: 06 Dec 2002, 09:21
- Type of spotter: F2
- Subscriber Scramble: U bet
- Location: ex EHAM
I think you're making a shortcut here. There is a difference between shooting without (enough) thinking or looking and trying to make up for that in post-processing, and taking best advantage of the possibilities of the digital age. I'll post an example here
On your original subject (but really superfluous I guess): a photo is good when the photographer, and preferably also his audience, likes it. That in itself has nothing to do with equipment. But high-quality equipment will increase the possibilities for photographers to make the shot they want to make.
Erik
to avoid going very off-topic in this one.Firecat wrote:http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42602
On your original subject (but really superfluous I guess): a photo is good when the photographer, and preferably also his audience, likes it. That in itself has nothing to do with equipment. But high-quality equipment will increase the possibilities for photographers to make the shot they want to make.
Erik
Climb to 20ft, we're leaving a dust trail
- nilsko
- Scramble Addict
- Posts: 1408
- Joined: 06 Sep 2002, 14:53
- Type of spotter: F2
- Subscriber Scramble: No
- Location: Doorn
I voted no, as I also think it's the man not the machine.. but there is a certain progress in your own photo techniques which has led me to buying more expenisve lenses and bodies.
When I started taking photo's I knew nothing about things like aperture, shutterspeeds, lighting, composition etc.. Along the way when you make more pictures, see other photographs, read literature, you are starting to master your equipment more and at that point also start to see the shortcomings of your equipment. My first zoomlens was soft at 250mm and had vignetting which was very apparant. My first DSLR had a RAW buffer which is too small for high speed photographs. And as most of these shortcomings are solved by using other, more expensive stuff, my results got better from a technical and usability point of view. But this is merely a technical 'tipping point' in buying more expensive stuff.
But the other factor, which is the composition, lighting or how do I as an photographer percieve the subject and what choices do I make when I press the shutter is a totally different thing. I might have find a picture with my old analogue camera great composition wise, but wished I had beter gear to make it perfect..
The other way around still occurs when I use my current gear (Canon 1D and L-lenses). The picture may be razor sharp, perfectly exposed, but still not great due to a variety of (personal) reasons. A flyby of a CL-215 dumping water and when seeing the results showing the props not to be blurred is one of those examples which proves equipment is not everything..
When I started taking photo's I knew nothing about things like aperture, shutterspeeds, lighting, composition etc.. Along the way when you make more pictures, see other photographs, read literature, you are starting to master your equipment more and at that point also start to see the shortcomings of your equipment. My first zoomlens was soft at 250mm and had vignetting which was very apparant. My first DSLR had a RAW buffer which is too small for high speed photographs. And as most of these shortcomings are solved by using other, more expensive stuff, my results got better from a technical and usability point of view. But this is merely a technical 'tipping point' in buying more expensive stuff.
But the other factor, which is the composition, lighting or how do I as an photographer percieve the subject and what choices do I make when I press the shutter is a totally different thing. I might have find a picture with my old analogue camera great composition wise, but wished I had beter gear to make it perfect..
The other way around still occurs when I use my current gear (Canon 1D and L-lenses). The picture may be razor sharp, perfectly exposed, but still not great due to a variety of (personal) reasons. A flyby of a CL-215 dumping water and when seeing the results showing the props not to be blurred is one of those examples which proves equipment is not everything..
- Iwan Bogels
- Scramble Addict
- Posts: 2385
- Joined: 06 Sep 2002, 06:59
- Subscriber Scramble: Iwan Bogels
- Location: N 52°13"31.2 E 4°29"57.5
- Contact: