Florennes (EBFS) - 2007

[The DJ]

Anyone for the Pelicans?

Grt, Mike.

Taken from MSF :

The only things which I had not previously seen reported as known were the
HH-3's These were coded 15-23 and 15-30 which should make them MM80992 and
MM81342

These are visible partially from the end of the field at the 26 end and
fully by parking at "The Bunker" and walking down the road. With the bright
sun and good visibility these were easy to read off.

Hope this helps someone.

Best regards
Rod and my co-driver Simon

Regards,
DJ

[Sleegertje]

Just returned from Florennes.
The HH-3's where easily read as 15-23 and 15-30.
Everything was outside except the Italian Typhoons.

Regards, Rene Sleegers

[Piet Luijken]

good to know thanks gr

[Hans]

Just returned from Florennes.

You too?? must have missed you then, only saw some British guys.

[Sleegertje]

Hi Hans,
We arrived around 12.45 local time. Walked down the field, drove to the chapel and went also to the old bunker to read the HH-3's which could easily be read due to perfect reading weather.
How late where you there?

Regards, Rene Sleegers

[Hans]

Hi Rene,

We arrived somewhere between 13:00 and 13:15 but started on the hill towards Biesmerée. Guess we arrived at 26R around 13:45/14:00

Hans

[Sleegertje]

By the time you arrived there we where eating french fries at the Friterie.
too bad we didn't meet eachother, always nice to know the face with the name.

Regards, Rene Sleegers

[Piet Luijken]

Thanks for all the details.

Maybe next time via PM?

From now on only relevant TLP info please.

greetings

[Sleegertje]

Hi Piet,

Sorry for those messages, indeed next time PM.

Regards,
Rene Sleegers

[Otto]

Is this relevant enough

10/12

IGLOO14 2x F-16. ETD 13:24LT
IGLOO12 2x F-16. ETD 13:12LT
IGLOO10 2x F-16. ETD 13:10LT
IGLOO03 2x F-16. ETD 13:22LT
IGLOO01 2x F-16. ETD 13:22LT
IGLOO30 2x F-4F. ETD 13:08LT
IGLOO20 2x AV-8. ETD 13:20LT
IGLOO32 2x Eurofighter. ETD 13:06LT
IGLOO24 2x Tornado. ETD 13:14LT
IGLOO22 2x Tornado. ETD 13:18LT
IGLOO05 2x Tornado. ETD 13:16LT


Endurance (estimated)of this mission is 2 hours.

[USAFE]

Hi guys,

any news for tomorrow? We´re just planig a tour...

Cheers,
Johnny

[Richard de Florennes]

well, as all official spotter days at TLP have been cancelled this year, I do not understand why any privileged minority should get access to the TLP.

Justice for all!!!

It's always the same story with strange privileged persons and so-called press-cards and other forms of informal relationship-management.

Every time I have been at the TLP this year I saw civilians running over the TLP ramp just before the TLP launch as if the TLP was made for photographers - so I only welcome this decision of the TLP commander.

[r.kerk]

Hi Guys,

Today I had an very dissapointed email from someone at the TLP office.
All photo oppertunities on base, for the TLP are cancelled by the commander. No press and or photographers are allowed anymore.

Reason for this, should be miss behavior from spotters during the recent TLP on the flightline or nearby the flightline.
Real facts were not given to execlute a disagreement, but it had all to do with unauthorized access to the flightline, not reporting to flightline commander for presents at the flightline and the biggest of all, no clearance for photography.

Reports go from people walking on the flightline without any clue of flightline safetly, running infront and behind aircrafts to quickly get that position to take a shot.
With the knowledge that "they" know it all, what is infact not!

Complains about this have reached the TLP, and no "spotting" activities will be taken place anymore on base at TLP.
For how long this will be ineffect, no idea.

The only thing I can say to those who feel affected, thank you for screwing it up for your fellow spotters/photographers!

To be clear, I am not accusing anybody here! Just want to make my point.

Crizz,

it has to do with people who are "spotters"!! but work in the Airforce. It was not happend with the normal spotters who always came over on the official spottersdays, but with the military people who think that they can go were they want to go. Also whitout permission from base. Thats the reason to stop it. I know you have t search the people in the military. Sorry for that but its true.

gr rene

[Glidepath]

If the latter is true: than the reaction from TLP command is not correct.
Use and mis-usage of tags and uniforms is done for years and should and indeed can easily be addresses with military justice. That may need balls in international excersies, but why should true dedicaded fans be at the wrong end of the stick? (and get the beating).

As crizz indicated, taking pics without permission points to a certain circomstance where that is pre-required, (and which is waived during spottersdays. ) So, the probabilty that it was uniformed 'spotter(s)' or just 'idiots takings photos', is huge.

[Piet Luijken]

Too bad for all TLP enthousiast!.

All information is needed on these exercises, for all involved, and a lot of this information was coming from these friends with equal interest in spotting and the TLP, while travelling on base.

Sometimes the crossing of the line to the commander is indeed only a small movement from our side. But maybe the pushing of the boundaries of this line could be equally irritating to the commander.

As you can see from our overviews, some pictures published were taken on base, and all had a special angle to the operation. It is not easy to make changing and challenging pictures from the well known spotting places. Just have a look at the different pictures made by Frank Noort and his friends on base at
http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37115" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is a black day to us all.

So back in the mud, you all!