To crop or not to crop?

ruudb · Post by **ruudb** » 04 May 2007, 09:46

I just think a good crop is ok as long as it is meant to be a crop but not just missing a piece like it was on example, that is really annoying I think just missing tip of wing,tail etcetera. I have cropped pictures on A.net as well ( http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1034169/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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they aren't really cropped to be honest cause I took the pictures that way, just think it looks better sometimes. And don't like to have only sideview pictures.
Looked through some pictures on A.net and saw this one: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1205846/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (maybe it doesn't make me popular Ton but it is just an example and was the first one I could find). And it misses just a tiny bit of tail.

Janos · Post by **Janos** » 04 May 2007, 10:45

Cropping is no problem and I use it also.
Not every picture I take is with the plane at the place where I like it the most, but you allways see the whole plane or I must have photographed
only the nose or the cockpit or weapens etc.
And what's the problem if I like a picture with a Jet in the left corner and a long stream of smoke behind, or another plane at the left and some technician at the right of the picture.
Not allways is the plane in the center the best place.
But I hate a plane with a small peace missing like a tip or a pitot or something like that.
Another thing that I don't understand is: Why the name of the photographer in the picture, some of them use a font you can use for a big poster. For example see photo's from PH-BAS.
Nobody would steal your photo's and if they do, I'll be proud if somebody use my pictures.

tobrin · Post by **tobrin** » 04 May 2007, 17:11

Iwan Bogels wrote: Maybe it's wise not to compare the work of photographing spotters and aviation photographers, as their goals are just not the same. It's like billiards and snooker: They both work with cue and balls, but they each play a very different game.

a great quote to remember

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 04 May 2007, 19:47

tobrin wrote:
Iwan Bogels wrote: Maybe it's wise not to compare the work of photographing spotters and aviation photographers, as their goals are just not the same. It's like billiards and snooker: They both work with cue and balls, but they each play a very different game.
a great quote to remember

As said, we all have our own way of taking photo's and we all have our own style in making photo's.

As long as we agree to disagree, i don't mind discussions like this...

(But i still don't like incorrect cropped pics....)

Bye, Chris.

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Redskin · Post by **Redskin** » 04 May 2007, 20:05

cHabu wrote: But i still don't like incorrect cropped pics

But what is a incorrect cropped picture??
What may be incorrect in your opinion might well be the intention of the photographer. As long as the photographer likes his picture that is all that matters.

But then again, everybody is in title to his/her opinion.

Nozem · Post by **Nozem** » 06 May 2007, 02:33

ruudb wrote:Looked through some pictures on A.net and saw this one: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1205846/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (maybe it doesn't make me popular Ton but it is just an example and was the first one I could find). And it misses just a tiny bit of tail.

Yeah,no it doesn't matter to use mine...
I also have pictures showing the whole plane....
It depends on more thing for me when I'm cropping pics.
For me it depends on Angle(in the mentioned picture it looked to me that when leaving the plane complete there was to much space behind the plane,so this one is cropped on nose-tail.

In this picture( http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1159971/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )I didn't cropped the tail of and the biggest reason was that there was allready enough blue around it so why not around the whole aircraft.....

It's always difficult to crop pictures but it depends on to much things
-how straight is the picture taken(after leveling no room enough to crop the whole plane)
-angle (sometimes better in my opinion to cut tail or stabilizer of)
-background(lots of blue sky wil or can make me decide to show the whole plane and "stuff" on the backgroud can make me crop the plane as tide as possible)
-aircraft type(a md80-90 will almost lose his tail everytime with me,but also depending on angle..)

Most of the times when I go crop on my pics I make a frame in ps and then look what fits best.so one time you get it all and the other time you'll mis something....

Greetings Ton

Redskin301 · Post by **Redskin301** » 07 May 2007, 07:55

Iwan Bogels wrote:Maybe it's wise not to compare the work of photographing spotters and aviation photographers, as their goals are just not the same. It's like billiards and snooker: They both work with cue and balls, but they each play a very different game.

Maybe this is the difference between a F1 and a F5 photographer on the well known scale

Birdman · Post by **Birdman** » 09 May 2007, 08:35

Hi everybody,

I think it's great that all of you are discussing area's of photography as serious as you do. I guess my view on cropping and composition is the same story many allready told, just in diffrent words. Anyway maybe I'll shed some new light here and there.

First of all it strikes me to know there are photographers who want to dictate how fellow photographers should make thair shots though there is no reason. There are many "rules" or better said guide lines in the photography how get results (underexposing with narrowing your apperture for instance). But allways be aware that all of those results doen't nessaseraly have to be acceived by those guide lines (underexposing can also be acceived by hightening the shutterspeed, lowering the iso level or using filters, even offcource in photoshop).
Everybody can copy anything anyone does, or simply make snapshots. Thing is with applied photography you as photographer need to know what you are doing. You need to make sencible descisions, keeping in mind what you want. So that also coveres your choice of composition. Maybe a or the most fundamental question: how will I show what? Cause what your doing is telling something with images.
I believe everyone should make thair own descisions, create their own vison and style and make pictures like only they can do. Unless offcource you aim to make fixed streight forward pictures like many others also do, if you want to do so, it's your hobby.
A good picture should be juged on if the set goal is reached. If an aircraft spotter collect numbers and take photo's to encurage this the goal can be simple: a clean clear shot with good light, numbers and badges clearly readable and technical sufficiant.
If you want to show the action of airshows like Peter Steehouwer the close ups of cocpits and nozzles are very well in place (though he told me he uses a prime lens for it's sharpness, not in the first place for those close ups but that's another matter).

So to me it's all about how you do your thing.

greetings,
René

warthog64 · Post by **warthog64** » 09 May 2007, 17:22

another 'crop' I like
riat 2005,

Redskin301 · Post by **Redskin301** » 09 May 2007, 19:21

Birdman wrote:Maybe the most fundamental question is: how will I show what? Cause what your doing is telling something with images.
I believe everyone should make thair own descisions, create their own vison and style and make pictures like only they can do. Unless offcource you aim to make fixed streight forward pictures like many others also do, if you want to do so, it's your hobby.

I totally agree with that Rene

Iwan Bogels · Post by **Iwan Bogels** » 09 May 2007, 19:27

Roel Rulez !!

Driewerf hoera voor dit topshot van een Hornet.

Ciao,
Iwan

Janos · Post by **Janos** » 09 May 2007, 19:38

That's cropping !! Perfect.
10.000 times better than a missing wing tip.

Kleintje Pils · Post by **Kleintje Pils** » 09 May 2007, 22:03

Last thursday I showed this picture, everybody seemed to like it:

This is just having the wrong lense at the wrong moment, but as you see it can turn out great!

warthog64 · Post by **warthog64** » 09 May 2007, 22:06

Janos and Iwan,

very nice remco!

Birdman · Post by **Birdman** » 10 May 2007, 13:28

This is just having the wrong lense at the wrong moment, but as you see it can turn out great!

Do you really feal you had the wrong lens, or in other words to much tele? If so your ideal must be to make pictures of aircraft wich do not clip outside the frame. No problems with that, just know what you want. I'm much more fond of close ups like these or like the Hornet from Roel though. This shows creativety and there is more done with the photographic medium. It's not that I want to discard those who don't photograph like this, to me it just appeals much more.

Greetings,
René

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