The Dutch airliner delivery thread

mr. V · Post by **mr. V** » 12 Jan 2007, 10:00

This picture only shows how well integrated Air France Cargo and KLM Cargo are and that they make their decisions based on what is best for the company at this moment: replacing an older plane with a new more efficient one, i.s.o. expanding the fleet while they don't need the capacity and keeping a less efficient plane.

KLM ordered several 777s, 737s and A330s over the last 12 months and will be receiving a 777 in its own colours very soon. This shows that the AirFrance KLM group is very commited to the KLM brand and its Amsterdam hub. Thinking that they are going to destroy valuable and expensive assets (the KLM brand, it's routes, it's schiphol hub etc) for which they paid a lot of money, and which are performing good makes no sense at all.

mph · Post by **mph** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:56

It is for airlines nothing new to lease out brand new planes as soon as it comes out of the productionline. In the 1990 KLM had 10 MD11 aircraft on other and ship number 9 (PH-KCI) was directly leased out for a longer period to VASP in Brasil. After that it joined service within KLM.

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 12 Jan 2007, 16:32

mr. V wrote:This picture only shows how well integrated Air France Cargo and KLM Cargo are...

Correct.

mr. V wrote:Thinking that they are going to destroy valuable and expensive assets (the KLM brand, it's routes, it's schiphol hub etc) for which they paid a lot of money, and which are performing good makes no sense at all.

Lets hope so.....

On the other hand I wouldn't mind seeïng some KL aircraft in AF colors and vise-versa. That would make a bigger statement IMHO.
In that perspective, i wouldn't mind if CKD would keep it's AFR livery after lease-end..... Just as long as 'they' keep it low in aircraft numbers...

Reminds me a bit how NWA used to fly the hybrid DC-10 some years ago.

CU.

mr. V · Post by **mr. V** » 12 Jan 2007, 19:22

Quote:
En zo zullen nog vele KLM vliegtuigen volgen.

Would you be so kind to explain your statement a little bit more elaborate then this and perhaps support it with some arguments.

En zo zullen nog vele KLM vliegtuigen volgen.

That's not an argument, nor does it explain anything. It is just some wild statement which is somehow stuck in your mind, based on nothing but misunderstanding of business.

KLM is inderdaad ten onder gegaan aan dat gare AFR

Again give some arguments or facts to support your statement. KLM is not going under because of Air France. Whether you like it or not, KLM is performing much better thanks to the co-operation with Air France. Check loadfactors, profit numbers, recent airplane orders etc. There is just no way that they would have achieved the same results without the co-operation with Air France and the syniergies created with this merger. This plane is not the first proof that KLM is being messed up by Air France, it is proof that they are making wise business decisions which will be benificial for the future of the company, it's employees and it's stockholders.

Please, if you have any facts or other arguments which proof you point, share them with us! Because I would really like to know as much as you seem to know about why Air France would invest a lot of money in a merger with KLM, then together with KLM enjoy the synergies and other positive things this merger has resulted to, after that expand KLM, in order to completly destroy it afterwards. Bet their shareholders will like that policy.

To get back on topic:

Does anybody already know the name of the new KLM 777 which is due for delivery soon?

adz · Post by **adz** » 12 Jan 2007, 19:42

Yoram wrote: stoer man Engels praten

Which is mandatory in this part of the forum.

SpotterNL · Post by **SpotterNL** » 12 Jan 2007, 19:57

Yoram wrote: Haha knul toch, zet jezelf niet zo voor Jan L. joh, stoer man Engels praten

Besides the fact that you have contributed NOTHING to this discussion and have not backed up any of your (unfounded) statements I don't think that your flame was warranted.

HV757 · Post by **HV757** » 12 Jan 2007, 20:01

Rumors (again..) that transavia france will start operating with 4 737-800's.
2 a/c will come from Sterling (OY-SEI and OY-SEH) and 2 others will be comming from Boeing (original SpiceJet orders?)
The Sterling planes could well be painted in Eindhoven, early this year

Frank

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 12 Jan 2007, 21:46

Noticed that my previous reply has been deleted (without any notice), so i'll do this one in english.

If you can't discuss topic's in a normal way, don't post.

Going back to topic, again....

HV757 wrote:Rumors (again..) that transavia france will start operating with 4 737-800's.

This ain't no rumour, it's a fact.

HV757 wrote:2 a/c will come from Sterling (OY-SEI and OY-SEH) and 2 others will be comming from Boeing (original SpiceJet orders?)
The Sterling planes could well be painted in Eindhoven, early this year

Could be painted at EHEH or will be painted at EHEH ?

Assume the Sterling aircraft are confirmed ?

Thx, Chris.

T7 · Post by T7 » 15 Jan 2007, 20:42

No specific dates yet but I will publish them if known ofcourse..

Delivery expected of:
A330 PH-AOH in the week of 2nd February
A330 PH-AOI in the week of 26th February
737-800WL PH-BXV in the week of 1st March

Rgds
Ab

Fulcrum1974 · Post by **Fulcrum1974** » 15 Jan 2007, 21:57

At Woensdrecht is an ex-T.A.M. Fokker 100 about to be delivered to K.L.C. in a view days. It's the PH-OFP, new painted and rebuilt to K.L.C.-standards.

Mathy777 · Post by **Mathy777** » 24 Jan 2007, 16:01

Could someone please give me the name of PH-BQO?

If it arrives ad ams on 30 Januari, when will it make his first flight for KLM?

Thank u

a1rliners_2005 · Post by **a1rliners_2005** » 24 Jan 2007, 17:45

can't read the registration

but a nice pic

SpotterNL · Post by **SpotterNL** » 24 Jan 2007, 19:59

a1rliners_2005 wrote:can't read the registration but a nice pic

Looks like Old ******

jfaltena · Post by **jfaltena** » 24 Jan 2007, 20:17

SpotterNL wrote:
a1rliners_2005 wrote:can't read the registration but a nice pic
Looks like Old ******

With some help I made it to "Old Rauma", which is this Unesco heritage in Finland...

Thanks to JohanV

Grtz, John

Mathy777 · Post by **Mathy777** » 24 Jan 2007, 20:44

Thank u Johan and John for the name !!!

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