Pratica di Mare (LIRE) 2023

[GIPS]

Hi All,

Because off the happenings in Italy we spent also some time overhere.
Unfortunately the base was not open for public this day.

Pratica di Mare 28-03-2023 (7:45 -8:30)

Preserved:
MM7018/RS-06 A-200A ex AMI
MM6248/7 G-91PAN ex AMI Gate

Based:
MM62227/14-02 KC-767A AMI 14˚St
MM62228/14-03 KC-767A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
MM62229/14-04 KC-767A AMI 14˚St (hangered)

MM62293/14-11 E-550A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
MM62303/14-12 E-550A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
MM62329/14-13 C-550A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
MM62332/14-14 C-550A AMI 14˚St

MM81799/15-43 HH-139A AMI 15˚St

MM62331/23 P-72B GdiF
MM62165/GF-13 P-42A GdiF
MM62251/GF-16 P-42B GdiF

?? T-339 AMI RSV
?? A-200 AMI RSV
??/36-5.. F-2000A AMI RSV
CSX55034/RS-20 TA-11B AMI RSV
CSX62219/RS-50 C-27J AMI RSV
CSX62225/46-90 EC-27J AMI RSV

MM81968/CC-01 UH-139D Carabinieri

Visit:
MM55153/61-05 T-346A AMI 61˚St
MM55154/61-01 T-346A AMI 61˚St
MM55229/61-24 T-346A AMI 61˚St Spec c/s
MM55231/61-26 T-346A AMI 61˚St
MM62280/41-02 P-72A AMI 41˚St
11 x AT-339A AMI PAN
MM62246/CC-112 VC-180A Carabinieri

Pratica di Mare 28-03-2023 (19:15 -19:50)

Additional:
MM62228/14-03 KC-767A AMI 14˚St

MM82030/15-74 HH-139B AMI 15˚St

MM62321/22 P-72B GdiF
MM82061/510 MH-169A GdiF
MM82010/420 PH-139D GdiF

Like always are corrections, help and questions more than welcome

All serials by Adrian Stürmer and me

Happy Spotting in Italy,

Gijs

[witje]

Hi Gijs, some MDS corrections: G-550=C-550A and EA-550A=E-550A according to this official list:
https://www.difesa.it/SGD-DNA/Staff/DT/ ... 022023.pdf

[GIPS]

Hi Martijn,

Thanks! Edited them, as wel as the ATR-42

Grz,

Gijs

[YOXA]

We were there a day later, March 29.

T-346A for RSV MM55224/61-23
the a-200 is probably the (CSX7079/RS-01)

(CSX62225)/46-90 C-27J AMI RSV this must the RS-80 we read the code, and the RS-90 is a YEC-27J

[pluggie]

MM7018/RS-06 A-200A ex AMI

[Starfighter_F-104G]

We were there a day later, March 29.
the a-200 is probably the (CSX7079/RS-01)

(CSX62225)/46-90 C-27J AMI RSV this must the RS-80 we read the code, and the RS-90 is a YEC-27J

A200 isn't RS-01
C-27J code RS-80 & RS-90 do not exist

[Starfighter_F-104G]

CORRECTED
MM6248/7 G-91PAN ex AMI Gate

CONFIRMED
MM62293/14-11 E-550A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
MM62303/14-12 E-550A AMI 14˚St (hangered)
CSX55034/RS-20 TA-11B AMI RSV
CSX62225/46-90 C-27J AMI RSV
MM81968/CC-01 UH-139D Carabinieri
MM82030/15-74 HH-139B AMI 15˚St
MM62321/22 P-72B GdiF
MM82010/420 PH-139D GdiF

[YOXA]

We were there a day later, March 29.
the a-200 is probably the (CSX7079/RS-01)

(CSX62225)/46-90 C-27J AMI RSV this must the RS-80 we read the code, and the RS-90 is a YEC-27J

A200 isn't RS-01
C-27J code RS-80 & RS-90 do not exist

Can you tell me why the A200 isn't the RS-01??

Thanks

[erik_kamphuis]

Pratica di Mare, April 26th 2023

(seen from outside base 8.00-9.00AM):
GdiF-ramp:
MM62251/(GF-16) ATR.42 GEA, grey c/s
MM62311/20 P-72B GEA, black c/s
CC-ramp:
1x P-180AM CC
Flightline RSV:
1x EF-2000 36St? took off ca 10.30h
1x AMX-T RSV (only RSV AMX-T = CSX55034/RS-20 ?)
2x T-346A AMI (MM55218 was shown on ADSB in PM flying from here, HEX 33FD92 gives MM55223 on april 30th)
1x P-180 RSV
1x C-130J 46BA
(MM62219/RS-50) C-27J RSV in hangar (seen PM flying on ADSB as Spera02)
(MM81270)/72-07 NH.500 RSV?, loan 72St? flying within base from grass near tower
2x P-180 AMI, (white with Italian flag, ex DPC), visible behind threes

Hangar 14St Gulfstreams (open):
1x G.550 VIP with big round badge in tail
1x G.550AEW with big round badge in tail
Hangar 14St KC767 (open):
2x KC767 (should be MM6227 and MM62229, as 226 was gone and 228 left just before 8AM)

Preserved from outside visible:
MM7018/RS-06 Tornado IDS RSV, pres on pole west of main gate
(MM7037) Tornado IDS RSV-mks, being repainted, pres on pole
(MM61893/14-46) C-47A ex 14St, pres next to KC767 hangar
(MM6248)/7 G.91PAN Frecce c/s, pres main gate
(MM54201)/RS-18 MB.326 ex RSV, just visible from outside behind main gate

Dump south side (visible from road Via Varna, near old cinema, also good hidden view on ramps/hangars);
9x HH-3F camo, with white engine covers (not cut in parts)
1x tail G91 ? visible over bushes

Base visit from 9.10-10.30hrs with GdiF-museum:
Seen were all known helicopters in the museum.
AB.47 GF-37, A-109A GF-133
NH.500: GF-51, GF-74, GF-117, AS9213 (Malta AF)
P.166 GF-12, AB412HP GF-209
C-45F RR-18

Luckily the GdiF-man itself asked if I would see all preserved aircraft (just for the serials), so we made this detour at last. It was also possible to make the tour through most GdiF hangars just for the numbers!

1st hangar near entrance GdiF (was open, but not visited):
1x /GF-107? NH.500 all yellow (std?)
(MM82061)/510 MH-169A GdiF
1x A-139/A-169 GdiF
(MM82067/421) PH-139D ramp. Dep 9.40 Volpe33 ADSB
(MM82067 also seen ADSB 12.45h as Volpe10 and 14.20h as Volpe14)
(MM82062)/512 MH-169A GdiF on ramp

Maintenance hangar:
MM81005/GF-81 NH.500MC GdiF
MM81061/GF-103 NH.500MC GdiF
(this are 2 of the last 4 active for next 2yrs)
MM81504/GF-216 AB.412HP GdiF (still active)
MM81699/GF-311 A-109 ex GdiF, (std, was too bad for the museum)
MM81964/414 PH-139 GdiF, spec 1000hrs-mks
MM82070/422 PH-139 GdiF
MM82048/508 A-169 Fock GdiF

In 2 sheds:
MM62264/GF-06 P-166DP1 ex GdiF, spec.mks last flt 2022
MM62266/GF-09 P-166DP1 ex GdiF
MM62267/GF-10 P-166DP1 ex GdiF
MM62165/GF-13 ATR.42 GEA, grey c/s
MM62321/22 P-72B GEA, black c/s
This last one was also visible from outside base from the mentioned spot left the old cinema just over the HH-3 dump. A P-72 should be readable with good bino.
An African country is interested in the WFU P166s.

P-180 Hangar:
MM62248/GF-18 P-180 GdiF, GEA

ATR Hangar:
(MM62166)/GF-14 ATR.42 GEA, grey c/s

Outside on ramp:
(MM62249)/GF-19 P-180 GdiF, GEA
MM62251/GF-16 ATR.42 GEA, grey c/s
MM62311/20 P-72B GEA, black c/s
MM62331/23 P-72B GEA, black c/s

Others:
1x AB.206 ex Polizia, wreck next to ramp
PS-88?? AB.206 on PS-ramp, should still be active!
(MM81814/PS-108) A-139 Polizia arr from Rome, Poli108 (ADSB)
(MM81968)/CC-01 UH-139D Carabinieri, making approaches, Fiamma01
(MM62158/EI-103) Do-228.212 28Gr IEI2858 dep CIA overhead 5000ft 8.10h (ADSB)

Seen later 13.07h over Roma city:
(MM82055/507) MH-169A GdiF Volpe05 (ADSB)

Preserved:
MM80482/CC-13 AB.47 pres CC area
MM81044/CC-80 AB.206 pres CC area
(MM6827/50) F-104S-ASA black/star pres pole RSV area
(MM7037) Tornado pres pole RSV area, being repainted
(MM579)/RS-11 G91Y pres pole base (2nd prototype)
MM6527/RS-03 F-104G pres pole base
MM80991/15-22 HH-3F pres Off.mess
MM54201/RS-18 MB.326 pres Off.mess

If anyone has additions, please!

[Key]

Erik, that was a great visit, thanks for the report. The date should probably be April 26, as in your original topic title?
The Rome part is now here and this one merged with the existing Pratica topic.

Cheers,
Erik

[erik_kamphuis]

Yes it was April 26th.
He told me a lot off Scramble people have requests done for june for the GdiF museum and tour through hangars!
As non Italian you can make the request min 40g days prior to your visit as your ID must be checked by police as you enter a mil base.

[Key]

Perfect, thanks again for the info.

Erik

[erik_kamphuis]

Seen May 6th on ADSB making a stop from ca 1h in the afternoon:
C-295 (T21-05) AME enroute to Romania

[erik_kamphuis]

Checked my pictures I took from outside (see also pictures photo forum) and did some resurge resulted in following extras:
VC-180 at CC-ramp was (MM62246/CC-112) as it dep later (9.44AM) from here as I2246.
AMX-T should be (CSX55034/RS-20) also 100yr badge on tail visible
EF-2000A with 36St marks flash on tail
1x T.346 with ref probe, 1x without.
P-180AM RSV-ramp should be (MM62161), only RSV P180 with green badge under cockpit (dep 2.28PM to Milan as IAM0100).
Ramp P180 with Italian flag had big 50yr 71Gr badge= (MM62287) also flew PM as I2287
Hercules = KC-130J with ref tanks =
(MM62177/46-42) flew whole April TDY with RSV from here.
G550 in hangar = (MM62329/14-13) as 14-14 was all day gone arr back 19.30h from Asia.
G550AEW in hangar = (MM62293/14-11), as 14-12 was those days TDY in Romania
In KC767 hangar:
(MM62229/)14-04 read code on nose
(MM62227/14-02) with tail to door
(226 was today in UAE and 228 left just before 8AM)
Dump with 9 HH-3F:
1st one code 30 visible on picture = (MM81342/15)-30
2nd HH-3 should also code be readable for anyone who will be there in june.
Over this dump a black P-72 should be readable in shed (when there is 1 parked)