nemaco wrote:But the 5 PG 737's will leave the fleet at the end of October en the first 737-800 will come in April 2013 (see below standing just updated KLM itranet overview August 2011) so I still miss two 737's from October 2011 till april 2013.
737-800
On order 24 PH-tbd1 42148 Apr 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 25 PH-tbd2 42149 May 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 26 PH-tbd3 42150 Aug 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 27 PH-tbd4 42151 Oct 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
ehusmann wrote:I think you have an error in your math. KLM also has some B737-800 still on order, so the idea they go from 5 to 3 doesn't exactly hold.
Erwin
mayby I am wrong., but I thought that KLM still had another 2 738's on order that will be delivered this year. I haven't a KLM fleetlist here so maybe someone can check this.?
I have it here (see below), this KLM intranet overview is dated 31st of August 2011. Number 23 is PH-BCB which already has been delivered in May 2011, so no more 737-800's in 2011 or 2012. Number 24 will be delivered in April 2013.
23 PH-BCB 39443 May 2011 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 24 PH-tbd1 42148 Apr 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 25 PH-tbd2 42149 May 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 26 PH-tbd3 42150 Aug 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 27 PH-tbd4 42151 Oct 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
B767-300ER wrote:
nemaco wrote:But the 5 PG 737's will leave the fleet at the end of October en the first 737-800 will come in April 2013 (see below standing just updated KLM itranet overview August 2011) so I still miss two 737's from October 2011 till april 2013.
737-800
On order 24 PH-tbd1 42148 Apr 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 25 PH-tbd2 42149 May 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 26 PH-tbd3 42150 Aug 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
On order 27 PH-tbd4 42151 Oct 2013 CFM56-7B24 57C 114M
ehusmann wrote:I think you have an error in your math. KLM also has some B737-800 still on order, so the idea they go from 5 to 3 doesn't exactly hold.
Erwin
mayby I am wrong., but I thought that KLM still had another 2 738's on order that will be delivered this year. I haven't a KLM fleetlist here so maybe someone can check this.?
For those of you who are interested in MSN's and delivery dates as far as these are new:
A330-300
On order 01 PH-AKA 1287 Feb 2012 CF6-80E1A3 30C 40Y 222M
On order 02 PH-AKB 1294 Mar 2012 CF6-80E1A3 30C 40Y 222M
On order 03 PH-AKD 1300 Apr 2012 CF6-80E1A3 30C 40Y 222M
On order 04 PH-AKE Jan 2013 CF6-80E1A3 30C 40Y 222M
777-300ER
On order 06 PH-BVG 38867 Jun 2012 GE90-115B 35C 40Y 350M
On order 07 PH-BVI 35947 Jul 2012 GE90-115B 35C 40Y 350M
On order 08 PH-BVK 42172 May 2013 GE90-115B 35C 40Y 350M
EMB 190
On order 18 PH-EZT Mar 2012 CF34-10E5 100Y
On order 19 PH-EZU Mar 2012 CF34-10E5 100Y
On order 20 PH-EZV Apr 2012 CF34-10E5 100Y
On order 21 PH-EZW Apr 2012 CF34-10E5 100Y
On order 22 PH-EZX May 2012 CF34-10E5 100Y
PARIJS/AMSTELVEEN - Air France-KLM plaatst bij Airbus en Boeing een order voor opgeteld 110 vliegtuigen. Het gaat om vijftig vaste bestellingen en zestig opties. Airbus mag in ieder geval 25 A350-900's leveren, Boeing even zoveel 787-9's. Dat heeft Air France-KLM vrijdag bekendgemaakt. De onderneming neemt verder opties op nog 35 A350's en 25 787 Dreamliners.
De raad van bestuur van de fusiemaatschappij is donderdag met de aankoop akkoord gegaan. Wel moeten nog afrondende gesprekken met Airbus en Boeing worden gevoerd.
Het is de bedoeling dat KLM in 2016 haar eerste 787-9 in ontvangst neemt. Vanaf dat moment verdwijnen de driemorige MD-11's uit de vloot. Air France krijgt in 2018 haar eerste A350 XWB. Bij de Franse maatschappij wordt afscheid genomen van de Airbus A340-300. In een later stadium gaan de twee maatschappijen beide met zowel de 787 als A350 vliegen.
De uitbreiding en verjonging van de vloot moet leiden tot 73 Airbus A350's en 787's in het jaar 2024, aldus Air France-KLM vrijdag. Het gaat daarbij om 43 A350's en dertig 787's.
Welke leverancier de motoren voor de 787 Dreamliner mag leveren, wordt later bekendgemaakt. De A350 zal worden aangedreven door de Trent XWB-motor van Rolls-Royce. Dat is het enige voor de A350-900 beschikbare motortype.
Bekijk een impressie van de A350-900 in de kleuren van Air France en KLM op Luchtvaartfoto.nl.
Little update: PH-BDW (737-400) will fly it's last commercial services on Sunday 18 September or on Monday 19 September. Aircraft will be returned to lessor early November.
As of 20 September the KLM fleet has left 5 active 737PG's:
733: BDO, BTD
734: BTA, BTB, BTG
Notes:
1) PH-BTF is stored in NWI. Aircraft is for sale.
2) PH-BDT is presently near Hg10 for lessor return activities. Redelivery before end of Sep11 >> will become N530WL.
3) PH-BPB and PH-BPC are stored in NWI and will be scrapped during the next few months.
And still no replacement order for the KLM 747-400's full passenger aircraft. Peter Hratman mentioned in an interview in August 2011 that an order of 6 A380's for KLM is not impossible even as an order for 6 more 777-300 ER's (renewed version). The 747-8 should be no option for this moment.
About the replacement for the Air France 747's, an order for more A380's shold be expected besides the below mentioned order of 787-9/A350 order.
nemaco wrote:Air France-KLM bestelt 110 Airbus A350's en 787's
PARIJS/AMSTELVEEN - Air France-KLM plaatst bij Airbus en Boeing een order voor opgeteld 110 vliegtuigen. Het gaat om vijftig vaste bestellingen en zestig opties. Airbus mag in ieder geval 25 A350-900's leveren, Boeing even zoveel 787-9's. Dat heeft Air France-KLM vrijdag bekendgemaakt. De onderneming neemt verder opties op nog 35 A350's en 25 787 Dreamliners.
De raad van bestuur van de fusiemaatschappij is donderdag met de aankoop akkoord gegaan. Wel moeten nog afrondende gesprekken met Airbus en Boeing worden gevoerd.
Het is de bedoeling dat KLM in 2016 haar eerste 787-9 in ontvangst neemt. Vanaf dat moment verdwijnen de driemorige MD-11's uit de vloot. Air France krijgt in 2018 haar eerste A350 XWB. Bij de Franse maatschappij wordt afscheid genomen van de Airbus A340-300. In een later stadium gaan de twee maatschappijen beide met zowel de 787 als A350 vliegen.
De uitbreiding en verjonging van de vloot moet leiden tot 73 Airbus A350's en 787's in het jaar 2024, aldus Air France-KLM vrijdag. Het gaat daarbij om 43 A350's en dertig 787's.
Welke leverancier de motoren voor de 787 Dreamliner mag leveren, wordt later bekendgemaakt. De A350 zal worden aangedreven door de Trent XWB-motor van Rolls-Royce. Dat is het enige voor de A350-900 beschikbare motortype.
Bekijk een impressie van de A350-900 in de kleuren van Air France en KLM op Luchtvaartfoto.nl.
Van onze redactie
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B767-300ER wrote:Or klm 380 with "operated by Air France" titles....lets wait and see
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Haha, do you believe that? I'm afraid in a few years we might see 'Air France - operated by KLM' aircraft at Schiphol a lot...
Haha, and do you believe that? That has been said for years since 2003. No ground to state that, just pure speculation from your side, and besides the reality of loosing landing rights which are agreed on a bilateral basis (especially in Latin America, Africa and Far East).
PH-AHY (return lessor):
Last commercial flight for OR: 24-01-2011 OR361/362 13:26A (24th)/13:20A (25th) AUA-CUR vv PH-AHY.
Finally left for Shannon: 26-01-2011 OR097P 10:54A SNN PH-AHY. Now HS-BID with Business Air Thailand.
PH-BTE (wfu/sold):
Last commercial flight: 16-05-2011 KL1023/1024 17:19A/20:43A LHR vv PH-BTE 733.
To SNN for delivery to PrivatAir: 19-07-2011 KL7451 07:58A SNN PH-BTE 733. Will be HB-JJB.
PH-BPC (wfu/scrapped):
Last commercial flight: 26-06-2011 KL1963/1964 17:36A/21:23A ZRH vv PH-BPC 734.
To NWI for part out and scrap: 08-07-2011 KL7451 07:58A NWI PH-BPC 734.
PH-BCB (new):
Arrived: 27-05-2011 KL7453 10:48A BFI KEF PH-BCB 73H.
First commercial flight: 31-05-2011 KL1839/1840 06:43A/11:16A VIE vv PH-BCB 73H.
PH-BGQ (new):
Arrived: 23-06-2011 KL7453 12:24A BFI PH-BGQ 73W.
First commercial flight: 25-06-2011 KL1083/1084 11:50A/15:40A MAN vv PH-BGQ 73W.
PH-BPB (wfu/scrapped):
Last commercial flight: 12-06-2011 KL1699/1700 06:49A/13:06A MAD vv PH-BPB 734.
To NWI for part out/scrap: 21-06-2011 KL7451 07:33A NWI PH-BPB 734.
PH-OFE (wfu):
Last commercial flight: 18-02-2010 KL1515/1502 20:59A (18th)/08:12A (19th) NWI vv PH-OFE 100.
To "Panorama Terras" for storage: 31-05-2011 13.00uur.
PH-BDT (return to lessor):
Last commercial flight: 31-07-2011 KL1203/1204 15:30A/19:21A SVG vv PH-BDT 734.
Return lessor: will be N530WL, still @ AMS.
PH-BTF (for sale):
Last commercial flight: 21-08-2011 KL1829/1830 15:14A/18:39A TXL vv PH-BTF 734.
To NWI: 13-09-2011 KL7451 15:30A NWI PH-BTF.
PH-HSE (new):
Arrived: 20-05-2011 HV8254 15:25A KEF-BFI PH-HSE.
First commercial flight: 21-05-2011 HV 5581/5582 06.40A/11.05A NCE vv PH-HSE.
PH-BXU (summerlease):
Last flight for KLM: 25-06-2011 KL1705/1706 14:52A/20:50A MAD vv PH-BXU.
First commercial flight for HV: 29-06-2011 HV 5581/5582 06:52A/11:26A NCE vv PH-BXU.
Last commercial flight for HV: 04-09-2011 HV5951/5952 16:57A/23:28A LIS vv PH-BXU.
Returned KLM: 04-09-2011 and on 06/07-09-2011 first KLM flight KL1435/1420 22:35A/07:59A BHX vv PH-BXU.
PH-BXW (summerlease):
Last flight for KLM: 28-06-2011 KL1027 19:14A LHR PH-BXW.
First Commercial Flight for HV: 01-07-2011 HV 6115/6116 06:17A/13:18A AGP vv PH-BXW.
Last commercial flight for HV: 21-08-2011 HV5955/56 18:30A/00:57A LIS vv PH-BXW.
Returned KLM: 21-08-2011 and on 24-08-2011 first KLM flight KL1107/1108 06:50A/11:40A ARN vv PH-BXW.
PH-MCJ (return lessor):
Last commercial flight: 25/26-03-2011 MP0661/0661 12:19A/12:48A AUA-PUJ vv PH-MCJ.
Return to lessor for paint in GMG Bangladesh c/s: 03-06-2011 MP0761 13:29A AMS-CHR PH-MCJ 763
Is now S2-AFX.
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