As you could read for yourself I stated "probably" and in combination with GAF callsign which are more used by C160's and other GAF planes than by fighter jets. Maybe Tornado's uses GAF callsigns when crossing, it's very difficult to finger out airplane type via callsign and altitude. But speed is indeed a good indication which one it probably is, a fighter jet or the much slower C160. Problem although is that they don't broadcast there speed via mode-s if am not wrong...VR78 wrote:Flying steady doesnt mean its a C160 .
eg a tornado proceeding over the Holland from navpi(boundry point with UK airspace) to milgi( point for entering Germany) will fly steady level between these points.
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Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
Callsign GAF E xx is in use when the Büchel Tornado's flying outside Germany.
For those wo are interested, below a list of German Navy callsigns:
GERMNAVY 45xx = P-3C Orion MFG-3 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 46xx = Lynx Mk-88 MFG-5 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 47xx = DO-228 MGF-3 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 48xx = Seaking MK-41 MFG-5 Nordholz
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For those wo are interested, below a list of German Navy callsigns:
GERMNAVY 45xx = P-3C Orion MFG-3 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 46xx = Lynx Mk-88 MFG-5 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 47xx = DO-228 MGF-3 Nordholz
GERMNAVY 48xx = Seaking MK-41 MFG-5 Nordholz
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Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
As far as I am aware, bit could have changed in meanwhile:
GAF E: Buchel Tornado
GAF I: Schleswig Tornado
GAF K: Norvenich EF2000
GAF L: Lechfeld Tornado
GAF M: Neuburg EF2000
GAF N: Laage? EF2000?? (believe this one was a temporary)
GAF R: was Wittmund F-4
GAF S: Laage EF2000
From memory, I have not heard C-160's with callsigns other than a 3 digit number behind GAF.
GHOST is not a C-160 callsign but a Tornado from Buchel, if you see German tactical callsigns via Mode-s like GHOST they are most likely fast movers.
Easy to tell as they allways have a single digit behind their tactical (GHOST 1 etc etc)
Regarding GAF with 3 digits, I do think it is likely they are linked with tasking or type of mission however I have not taken the time to figure out though.
GAF E: Buchel Tornado
GAF I: Schleswig Tornado
GAF K: Norvenich EF2000
GAF L: Lechfeld Tornado
GAF M: Neuburg EF2000
GAF N: Laage? EF2000?? (believe this one was a temporary)
GAF R: was Wittmund F-4
GAF S: Laage EF2000
From memory, I have not heard C-160's with callsigns other than a 3 digit number behind GAF.
C160's are flying with what appears to be tactical mode-s codes. they change often hence they can not be tied up, same story for Tornado's. EF200's however seem to fly with their assigned Mode-s code.gustav wrote:Interesting because I see a lot of GAF callsigns in my SBS receiver that aren't linked to registrations, even airframes doesn't know the registrations that are linked to GAF mode s.
From my log:
ICAO, REG, ALTITUDE, TYPE,CALLSIGN
3F5EF7 old12+02 11375 GAF320
3F837A .NO-REG 19975 GAF468 (this is most probably a C130 or a C160)
3F4E27 14+02 31125 GL5T GAF613
3F70F1 .NO-REG 20975 GAF914 (this is most probably a C130 or a C160)
3F9D8B .NO-REG 21175 GAF674 (this is most probably a C130 or a C160)
How can you recognize a GAF C130/C160 via SBS with no known registration? Via callsign GAF*** and flying steady around 20000 ft, loaded service ceiling is 23000 ft. GHOST i thought is e.g. a known callsign for a GAF C160.
I now try to collect the callsigns for C130/C160 and link the callsigns to type i.e. C160 or TOR and if possible to a registration.
To answer your questions: I don't think there is a block speacially for Merkel or something like that.
GHOST is not a C-160 callsign but a Tornado from Buchel, if you see German tactical callsigns via Mode-s like GHOST they are most likely fast movers.
Easy to tell as they allways have a single digit behind their tactical (GHOST 1 etc etc)
I agree with Paul.Paul van der Linden wrote: Hi Gustav,
Never noticed MATRIX, VADER and PACK as Dutch callsigns. I think MATRIX is a Belgian OCU callsign and VADER and PACK are Norvenich Eurofighters I think.
Regards, Paul
Not sure if there is any support if she is on trip like the Russians or Americans do to be honoust.let alone callsign blocks.Robin wrote:Is there any logic to the German C-160D Callsigns....i.e. GAF***
i.e. is there a block of callsign's assigned for German Chancellor Angela Merkel support, i.e. cars etc....
As said earlier in this reply, GAF with 1 letter and 2 digits are fast movers and not C-160'sRobin wrote:It would appear that the C-160D's have some fixed callsign, these being GAF (followed by 1 or 2 letter), then two numbers... i.e. GAFW01-99
However the question remains regarding the others callsigns i.e. GAF (followed by 3 numbers), is there any logic, and if so, are these route or task fixed numbers (be they C-160 or other types)...
Any comments on the GAF701 to 799 block most welcome......
Regarding GAF with 3 digits, I do think it is likely they are linked with tasking or type of mission however I have not taken the time to figure out though.
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Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
Hi everybody,
i've got some additions and/or corrections:
GAFK = TaktLwG31 (Nörvenich)
GAFE = TaktLwG33 (Büchel)
GAFM = TaktLwG51 (Schleswig)
GAFN = TaktLwG74 (Neuburg)
GAFS = TaktLwG73 (Laage)
GAFW = WTD61 (Manching)
GAF + 3digits = C160, A310, A319, A340, GL5T, CH53
TA + 2digits = C160 LTG62
Regarding GAF775 and 709: those callsigns are FBS Cougar from EDDT
i've got some additions and/or corrections:
GAFK = TaktLwG31 (Nörvenich)
GAFE = TaktLwG33 (Büchel)
GAFM = TaktLwG51 (Schleswig)
GAFN = TaktLwG74 (Neuburg)
GAFS = TaktLwG73 (Laage)
GAFW = WTD61 (Manching)
GAF + 3digits = C160, A310, A319, A340, GL5T, CH53
TA + 2digits = C160 LTG62
Regarding GAF775 and 709: those callsigns are FBS Cougar from EDDT
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There's also another "tactical" C160 callsign, but i can't remember, and can't find it in my archive right now...... :-/joost wrote:Many thanks for the corrections and additions.
Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
GAF TT01 - 99.....C-160D Transall....Hohn....(LTG-63) ETNH ???
then what is the TWO Letter code for
GAF LW01 - 99 LTG-62 ??? ETNW
GAF TA 01 -99 LTG-61 ??? ETSA
If
GAF W01-99...is LTG-63 ETNH
What is the single letter for
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-62 ETSA
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-61 ETNH
then what is the TWO Letter code for
GAF LW01 - 99 LTG-62 ??? ETNW
GAF TA 01 -99 LTG-61 ??? ETSA
If
GAF W01-99...is LTG-63 ETNH
What is the single letter for
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-62 ETSA
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-61 ETNH
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Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
GAFW is not LTG63. GAFW like mentioned before is WTD61.Robin wrote:GAF TT01 - 99.....C-160D Transall....Hohn....(LTG-63) ETNH ???
If
GAF W01-99...is LTG-63 ETNH
What is the single letter for
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-62 ETSA
GAF ?01-99...is LTG-61 ETNH
Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
Dixie is used by the WTD-61 C-160D. Don't know if other WTD-61 are using this one also, or not
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The WTD-61 F-4F also used Dixie on various flights.michel N wrote:Dixie is used by the WTD-61 C-160D. Don't know if other WTD-61 are using this one also, or not
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Anyone know which unit owns "GAFV01-99 Block ??????
Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
The GAF Global 500 (14+01 to 14+04) jets seem mainly to use the callsign block of GAF601 to GAF689
Also it would appear that some individual callsigns in this block are used more than others; i.e. GAF602 to GAF609 and other spot individual spot numbers GAF685 etc
Are these common use numbers fixed to routes/destinations flights???????
Is it me or are the Airbus A-319's (15+01 & 15+02) mainly seem to use the 600 and 800 blocks of callsigns?????.
The Airbus A-310's (10+) and the Airbus (16+01) seem not to use the the 600 callsign block....
Is their block of "GAF" callsign reserved for flight refueling tanking German fighter aircraft??????
Also it would appear that some individual callsigns in this block are used more than others; i.e. GAF602 to GAF609 and other spot individual spot numbers GAF685 etc
Are these common use numbers fixed to routes/destinations flights???????
Is it me or are the Airbus A-319's (15+01 & 15+02) mainly seem to use the 600 and 800 blocks of callsigns?????.
The Airbus A-310's (10+) and the Airbus (16+01) seem not to use the the 600 callsign block....
Is their block of "GAF" callsign reserved for flight refueling tanking German fighter aircraft??????
Re: GAF Callsigns 002 to 999
I believe I has answered some of your questions already in my first reply, based on Mode-s logs. These findings were based on Mode-s logs from Sept 2006 to current. I have not looked if some ranges were still in use or not, or last used.Robin wrote:The GAF Global 500 (14+01 to 14+04) jets seem mainly to use the callsign block of GAF601 to GAF689
Also it would appear that some individual callsigns in this block are used more than others; i.e. GAF602 to GAF609 and other spot individual spot numbers GAF685 etc
Are these common use numbers fixed to routes/destinations flights???????
Is it me or are the Airbus A-319's (15+01 & 15+02) mainly seem to use the 600 and 800 blocks of callsigns?????.
The Airbus A-310's (10+) and the Airbus (16+01) seem not to use the the 600 callsign block....
Is their block of "GAF" callsign reserved for flight refueling tanking German fighter aircraft??????
COBO is common used by A310 for Aerial Refueling where the digits are the last 2 of his serial (COBO 27 = 10+27)
Believe they do use GAF callsign when on Ferry mission, do not recall in which series though