Creil - MIL 2013

[Richard de Florennes]

"The northwest and northeast sides are good for viewing; the rest of the base is surrounded by forest."

Richard de Florennes: not totally correct, the approaches for both runway directions are also quite open and good for watching landing and departing aircraft.

"Lastly, the southeast shelter area is used by air defence units that are frequently detached here."

Richard de Florennes: not totally correct, it's a QRA detachment normally comprising Mirage 2000s from EC02.002, comprising two or three aircraft.


"Around The Airport
1
... At the end, make a left on the dirt track. You can pole off the CN235 from a distance from here early morning or late afternoon. Alternatively, walk into the farmland along the fence line to get closer. This is a bit of a walk but the CN235s are not that easy to read off so it is probably worth the effort."

Richard de Florennes: you can also continue the dirt track by car or by walking until reaching the approach lights and even further to the QRA shelter area. You are very visble from the base there and staying longer then necessary around the QRA area can not be recommended. Following the approach lights down the hill might allow for parking your car without too much attention from base personnel.


"2
Aero club

From Creil, take the N330 off the N16 southbound towards Senlis. At the roundabout in the northwest corner of the airfield you can take the road to the civil side, Chemin de Creil a L'Igne."

Richard de Florennes: According to my experience, this place does not make much sense for watching the operational mil aircraft?


"3
West side approach runway 07

The N330 runs past the threshold of runway 07. Just north of the gate, you can watch the approaching aircraft and have a distant view of the ramps to see if anything is outside."

Richard de Florennes: There is also a very small village south of the 07 approach. Follow the sign "cemetary". You can park your car on a dirt track along the stone walls of the cemetary. As you are south of the approach, this place is also nice for taking pictures of landing aircraft (less then 200 mm for Mirage 2000 for example). At the same time you also have a good view on the runway and some aprons while still beeing away from the base fence as the road N330 and small fields are between you and the base.

According to my experience, the best place for a rather relaxed stay.

[Le Addeur noir]

I was at the runway 26 end last year for several hours and there appeared to be no trouble with being there.There were several local people walking dogs or riding horses and no special attention was paid to my presence.I parked away from the fence(in 2009 the Gendarmerie showed up on the inside of the fence and an earlier than scheduled departure was executed).

[perrie]

Nice log Richard,

SA342M (2168)/GCG should be 4168
AS432UL (2301)/CGW should be 2443

Interestingly there is a SA342M in your log that didn't fly at the flypast in Paris: 3957/GAU.

Thanks for making and sharing your log for everybody.

Per

[K2G]

helicopterts Noted 13 July around 10.00:

7x Tigre ALAT (one read as 2042?)
2x Tigre GArmy
5x SA.330 (including DBN and DBL and one with white stripes)
2x AS.332 (read as CGN and CGW)
7x Gazelle
1x NH90 ALAT
1x NH90 FN
1x AS.565 FN

At that time no more helicopters present (or visible from outside).

Helicopters operated from Creil:

Tigre: BJB,BJC,BHV,BHX,BII,BIJ,BIM
Tigre: 7406 +1 Somebody knows the second German Tiger at Creil ???
SA.330: DBL,DBN,DBP,DAN,DAS (DAQ and DBM also reported, not correct ???)
AS.332: CGM, CGW. Also CGN reported at Creil. Can somebody confirm this ???
SA.342M: GAK,GAU,GAW,GCE,GCG,GCM,GNC
NH90: EAC, EAE On July 13 at 10.00 there was only one outside. Which one ???
NH90: 7
AS.565: 362
SA.365: 91 (not present before July 13 10.00)

[leonard van T]

Helicopters operated from Creil:

Tigre: BJB,BJC,BHV,BHX,BII,BIJ,BIM
Tigre: 7406 +1 Somebody knows the second German Tiger at Creil ???
SA.330: DBL,DBN,DBP,DAN,DAS (DAQ and DBM also reported, not correct ???)
AS.332: CGM, CGW. Also CGN reported at Creil. Can somebody confirm this ???
SA.342M: GAK,GAU,GAW,GCE,GCG,GCM,GNC
NH90: EAC, EAE On July 13 at 10.00 there was only one outside. Which one ???
NH90: 7
AS.565: 362
SA.365: 91 (not present before July 13 10.00)

-2nd Tiger 7405
-DAQ DBM, spares DBM we red our selfves
-CGN we red it as C.N


Leonard

[Sukhoi22]

Hi Everyone,

Monday the 7th, I want to go with GRAS to take a visit at Creil AB and I want to see some W&R's.

Where can I find the Mirage 3's. In the Emoos 2007 say in the north west corner and from Flickr in the north east corner. Where can I find them?

Thanks in advance.

Sukhoi22

[Wrecks]

Hi Everyone,
Monday the 7th, I want to go with GRAS to take a visit at Creil AB and I want to see some W&R's.
Where can I find the Mirage 3's. In the Emoos 2007 say in the north west corner and from Flickr in the north east corner. Where can I find them?
Thanks in advance.
Sukhoi22

See your own request at http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?p=662186

[Sukhoi22]

Hello everyone,

Last monday (7 October) I was with a visit of GRAS here and we saw there the following:

Preserved:
Super mystere B2 139/10-RE on pole
Mirage 4P 59/CF spec. color
CM-170 cn. 401 (it's the real 401?) in PdF colors

Operational:
CN-235-200: 071/62-IE 072/62-IF 114/62-IJ 152/62-IP 156/62-IQ 158/62-IR 160/62-IS
CN-235-300: 195/62-HC 197/62-HE 199/62-HG 200/62-HH

Before the visit, 3 Casa's departed.

Visitor:
C-130H 5119/64-PC (Open skies markings) ET02.061

At the overside are 2 Mirage 3's. You can see them from the ramp too.
Mirage 3E 565 stored
Mirage 3R 322/TB dumped, upside down.

After the visit we went to the aeroclub of Creil-Chantilly and we saw the following.

Preserved:
Hurel Dubois 34 F-BICV Civil

Operational:
Robin DR.400 F-GOVB (cn. 2304) flew
JODEL DR.1050 F-POLO (in hangar, dismantled)
Robin DR.250 F-BNVS (cn. 78) (in hangar by entrance)
Robin HR.200 F-GABM (cn. 94)
YAK-52 LY-YJW (cn. 877807), former Russian AF, 79 ye?

I've need some help with some type's of the serials. Any help is welcome.
F-BRIR, inside
F-GABM, (in hangar by entrance)
F-GAXH (cn. 146), (in hangar by entrance)
F-GIAG
+ 1, it looks too civil

After the aeroclub we saw at the Institut Géographique National a Beech 200.
Beech 200T F-GALP Civil

That's all Folks,

Sukhoi22

[Stafhunter]

The 3 depart casa's are 123/62-IM 165/62-IT and 196/62-HD

After the base visit a Mirage 2000 depart serial??