Oranje kazerne 25-08-2012

[CoHaBa]

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There were als two Chinook training frames, of which this one looked most authentic! Anyone more info?

Could it be the frame from the crashed one in Afghanistan? I will compare the pics today.

[Stratofreighter]

Wasn't one crashed Dutch Chinook blown up "on-site" to prevent the Taliban from taking anything useful from it, with the other Dutch Chinook burning down after because of a malfunctioning fire extinguisher ?

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... es-211765/

[wamovements]

Both i/a were never part of real H-47. They were constructed by a dutch company for training purposes.

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[Stephan Lodewijks]

Thanks all!

Stephan

[Stephan Lodewijks]

Both i/a were never part of real H-47. They were constructed by a dutch company for training purposes.

I'd like to point out that the 'fuselage' is devided into three parts which are clearly identifiable in my pic: the front- and back-end of the fuselage are of a different origin and fabrication than the bigger center piece of the fuselage. And it is this centerpiece that is of interest:
- the seven pins protruding from the top ridge are at the exact same spot as the mounts for those typical Chinook "wasrekken" would be.
- you can see an access port between the first two windows: this acces port can also be seen on 'the real thing'.
- the typical long 'side-bumpers' seem to have been there before, but removed.
- exactly where the front wheel is mounted on real Chinooks, you can see an extra bulkhead sticking out. I'm not an engineer, but I can 'imagine' putting it there for the wheel mounts.
- the inside of the centerpiece looked, at least to me, authentic.
- if the whole fuselage was constructed from scratch I wouldn't expect it to have such a clearcut three-part difference in building material and applied technique.

So, it seems to me the centerpiece is from a Chinook. The question is: is it from a real airframe, or is it from some static frame without construction number?

The plot thickens.... Maybe Otger can help?

Best regards,

Stephan

[topgun1984]

Would this help a bit?

Picture of the Chinook that Crashed in 2005

[wamovements]

Count the windows

[Bits-and-Pieces]

Hello

A few years ago i visit also the Oranje Kazerne and saw the same rig.

A militair told me the two rigs came from the states and prepared by a metal compagny. This compagny made the undercarriage.
No more info know........

[FrankCrebas]

As far as I know at least one frame is real.

[Koen L]

Count the windows

I count 5, the exact number a real Chinook has when the hatch behind the cockpit is closed so I'm not sure what your point is.

As Stephan pointed out the middle part appeared from a real chinook while the front and rear were not.

[Stephan Lodewijks]

Count the windows

* Thanks for the helpful illustration Koen. And thanks to wamovements for supplying a picture that supports the idea fuselage being a Chinook air-/staticframe (although you intended it to prove otherwise... ): I count 5 windows in both pics, but, more specifically: 3 windows in both fuselagesections that are concerned here.

* Comparing wamovements' picture with mine I notice another detail: the 3rd window in both pics is a bulged window.

Stephan

[wamovements]

Sorry guys, knowing the guys who was responsible for these two testframes, I can 100% confirm that both are fake. But as the discussion continues it seems that some will continue the discussion untill somebody says they are real. Therefor I will withdraw to this discussion. Both were produced based on detailed pictures.

regards
Dennis

[Stephan Lodewijks]

I partly understand your frustration Dennis, but I'm just following my instinct. You must admit, despite what you know it's kind of strange, again:

1 fuselage is clearly all fake,
and...
1 fuselage is made of 3 clearcut seperate parts, of which the building techniques and material used on the front and back are just like the all-fake fuselage. The 3rd big center section is of a complete different build, and giving numerous clues it's a real air- or static frame...

Just if people wonder: no, I'm not a chronic conspiracy theorist...!!



Stephan

[pipichantal]

Look at the 'wasrekken' Stephan mentioned,they are more forward on the crashed 47.

[Stephan Lodewijks]

Yep, you're right Ed! Thanks for your remark!

Stephan