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[Key]

Michel, see my post just above yours (probably typed simultaneously). Let's try the simple initial solution. Nothing else changes.

Erik

[evhest]

More rules, that's what we need! This is Holland, after all.

[Key]

Come on, Elmer. If you had really followed this, you would have seen our efforts to keep the rules to a minimum, despite many suggestions otherwise!
This is just a simple measure to serve a lot of users better.

Erik

[Polecat]

In my opinion it's just "live and let live". Other people posting picsdoesn't cost you money, it doesn't cause any pain, so why bother? The same goes for television, watch what you like and ignore the rest of the -in your opinion- ==censored==!
I for sure would prefer a low-entry forum where no-one should be afraid to post. (good example, www.dusforum.de which in my opinion is virtually dead because every photoposter is indecently critisized by others...

Tip: There is a scroll-bar on most mouses and you can use settings that allow very quick scrolling..

[Key]

Like I said, the only 'measure' we take is restart using topic titles usefully, with special attention for Schiphol.

So once again: please indicate in your topic title what kind of photos you are posting.
Especially for Schiphol, and the simplest form is: 'Schiphol 14-12-2010 Regulars'

No need to state 'photo': it is the photo forum. No need to mention EHAM/AMS: it is the photo forum
We will give this time to do its work, and close the discussion for now.

Edit: apparently, my skills to explain things are deteriorating...
Here is another try:

- There are NO NEW RULES, just a request for more clarity.
- This means you do not HAVE TO split topics or whatever.
- The title above is just an example, NOT a must-use format.
- We want to keep this as simple as possible, but it is hard with such differences in taste.
- No option will make all happy. The one above is the one we encourage for the time being.

Erik


Re-edit
Allright, allright, topic reopened as there is still some going on.

[Ger]

O, now we have for the same day a topic for regulars and...specials....Come on guys!
Next time we have a rain and snow topic for the same day....

Rgds, Ger

[tomba2247]

O, now we have for the same day a topic for regulars and...specials....Come on guys!
Next time we have a rain and snow topic for the same day....

Rgds, Ger

Hi Ger,
This is the result of some people that dont like the pics of regular planes in a topic about EHAM
But I think we dont have to talk about it again.

[Ger]

O, now we have for the same day a topic for regulars and...specials....Come on guys!
Next time we have a rain and snow topic for the same day....

Rgds, Ger

Hi Ger,
This is the result of some people that dont like the pics of regular planes in a topic about EHAM
But I think we dont have to talk about it again.

What is so special about dark and vague piactures and not even a registration of the MD11 is mentioned in the topic.
Are we dealing here with real spotters or just picture takers....?

Enjoy the snow!
Ger

[wild weasel]

@ Ger...

That is quite ubvious. No registration cause Martijn is going for the image, and not for the number. Which allso is the answer to why there is no registration in this topic, cause it's a non spotter pic topic, that is the deal we have made with scramble......

maybe you have missed it, so here it is again......nowadays you have two devided groups of aviation photographers. The ones who only shoot the plane for the plane itsself and its registration number (from now on called "date followed by the name of the airfield" or date followed by the name of the airfield, specials, type of the aircraft). And then we have the group that only try to take the plane from it's most photogenic side/angle, and allways try to put some drama in their picture (in this case the picture itsself is just as important, if not, more important then the actual plane). Topics like this, will from now on be subscribed in a somewhat different way (date followed by the name of the airfield, regulars). These are the daily visitors to Schiphol, but somehow photographed in nice weather conditions (and i don't mean bleu sky's) or with some nice action and drama in it. Which means that for that last group of photographers, we got more work to do, cause we have to devide our regulars from our specials that we have shot in one day, and have to place them in two different topics, but that is just fine by us, as long as everybody is happy right....

So yes, in this case/topic, you are dealing with a real photographer (picturetaker as you call it) of about allmost anything that fly's or has got wings

Hope this helps!

Rgds.
Menno

[wild weasel]

@ myself

Somehow i have cotradicted myself, hahaha. It should be like this.....

spotter pics called as "date, followed by the name of the airfield"
photography pics called as "date, followed by the name of the airfield, regulars"
specials called as "date, followed by the name of the airfield, type of aircraft"

The last one can be both spotter or photography topic, in the MD11 case it's a photography topic.

I suggest we mention the spotter topic as we have always done, knowing "date, name of the airfield" and that we call the photgraphy topics as "date, name of the airfield, non spotting"

Eric, your feedback please.

[Maikel van der Heijden]

Nice pics Martijn.

About the topics I think we just going to stick with just one topic. It's always been like this and it works well, If you don't want to see KLM aircraft at Schiphol then just don't klick on the topic. Just deal with it we are in The Netherlands. Do we also have to make seperate topic of Helicopters at Schiphol or de-icing vechicles, think things are a little escalating lately.

But if the admins decide otherwise it's ok.

[wild weasel]

Nice pics Martijn.

About the topics I think we just going to stick with just one topic. It's always been like this and it works well, If you don't want to see KLM aircraft at Schiphol then just don't klick on the topic. Just deal with it we are in The Netherlands. Do we also have to make seperate topic of Helicopters at Schiphol or de-icing vechicles, think things are a little escalating lately.

But if the admins decide otherwise it's ok.

Martijn, fully agree with you! this was only called to life to make other people more satisfied, but i'm on your side completely. if you don't want to see it, then simply don't...

Menno

[nustyR]

Thanks for nice comments

O, now we have for the same day a topic for regulars and...specials....Come on guys!
Next time we have a rain and snow topic for the same day....

Rgds, Ger

Ger, you really made my day; I'm still laughing
I refer to this topic; http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 5&start=30

What is so special about dark and vague piactures and not even a registration of the MD11 is mentioned in the topic.
Are we dealing here with real spotters or just picture takers....?

Enjoy the snow!
Ger

I prefer to call myself a REAL photographer, something wrong with that

Registration ; photo 3

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[Key]

Eric, your feedback please.

Here goes, and I couldn't keep this short:

We should not make this whole thing more complicated than it has to be.
The last thing we want is more and more rules, especially in the Photo forum: this is meant as a playground for all, with as much freedom as we can allow while still keeping the average user happy.

In the Spotting forums, we use standard topic names, enforce staying on-topic, et cetera.
This has a clear goal: these are solely meant to exchange the kind of info that helps you catch planes you are interested in, and without which you would probably miss them. This only works with clean, clear topics.
We deviate from that if it is really useful, for instance to avoid tearing apart an otherwise well-structured trip report.

The Photo forum is different: its main goal is to allow everyone to share the results of their activities, usually after the event has taken place. Photogs mainly do this for themselves: it's fun to share, get feedback, and sometimes improve. There is a lot less to miss for others if these topics are not as compact and clear as the info topics. True, sometimes a photo will help you to decide wether to drive to an airfield or not. But generally in this forum, you are looking at things already gone.
With that in mind, we left topic titles free, made a habit of not merging multiple topics about one event (except on request from the poster), allowed discussions to go relatively off-topic, etc.

Enter: differing tastes.

The Volkel Tiger Meet was used as a pilot. A majority was in favour of one topic per day, but there were other votes too. Not everyone adhered and it meant a lot of extra work from the mod side.
At the moment, the discussion continues about Schiphol pics. Again, we see the whole spectrum of opinions and wishes.

So, what is the solution? There is no single solution to make everyone happy.
We are not going to enforce one that has disadvantages for many users, even if it is pleasing others.
We are not going to introduce must-use title formats.
The simple suggestion is to use topic titles to inform a viewer what to expect. Obviously, joining such a topic only works if your photos fit the title. This brings up a new point: the topic opener should not be too specific if he/she wants the topic to be joined (which we usually do). In the end, this too, may prove too complicated. That's why the suggestion stands for the time being.

I hope we are all intelligent and social enough to bring this to a good end. Not having it exactly the way you prefer will always be a factor here.
There are many ways to accomodate wishes. We have the title, but also the text in a topic. Be creative, be informative. And, one very often overlooked factor: be selective. No matter how thrilling the photos are, they can always loose their power when there are too much. When posting, don't just think about your own preferences. Do think about your public, whoever they are.


Erik

[Mickey312]

I thought there was nothing wrong with this forum... But then again I guess I am quite tolerant.



Anyone who is more into aviation PHOTOGRAPHY than AVIATION photography, you are kindly invited to visit or join Fencecheck. This is not meant as website-promotion, but to indicate there are other websites more tailored to specific interests of various people. Scramble is more of a spotters-community and we have pointed-out Scramble to spotters at FC and will continue to do so.

Mickey

PS: If mods feel this message inappropriate , please remove it.