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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
@ Boudewijn:
He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. (on that one i agree)
And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity. (i'm glad we've got that straight )
About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me (on that one i agree too, completely)..
He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. (on that one i agree)
And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity. (i'm glad we've got that straight )
About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me (on that one i agree too, completely)..
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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
Iwan,
Good point there. and like you said, it's all in your own creativity. But i allso am inspired by Martijn, of course, and let's be honest, what's not to like about his aviation photography......for me it was a case of recognition.....like, his pictures are truly what i like and truly how i would do it too......i just never did (as we say in dutch, het feest der herkenning)
His pictures, and pictures made by others, just made me pick up my camera, and go out there and do it. But all my pictures (and now i am again speaking on behalf of myself) have got my own identification, and nothing else. But sure, Martijn his pictures and pictures of others, have opened my eyes in a pleasant way, therefor INSPIRATED.
Martijn indeed has a 1D mrk IV with a 500MM prime and 1.4 TC, reaching up to 700 MM in totall times 1.3 crop. But if i'm not mistaking, i heard him talking about wanting to buy a new combination which will give him 1000 MM. so be prepared for more pics!
Good point there. and like you said, it's all in your own creativity. But i allso am inspired by Martijn, of course, and let's be honest, what's not to like about his aviation photography......for me it was a case of recognition.....like, his pictures are truly what i like and truly how i would do it too......i just never did (as we say in dutch, het feest der herkenning)
His pictures, and pictures made by others, just made me pick up my camera, and go out there and do it. But all my pictures (and now i am again speaking on behalf of myself) have got my own identification, and nothing else. But sure, Martijn his pictures and pictures of others, have opened my eyes in a pleasant way, therefor INSPIRATED.
Martijn indeed has a 1D mrk IV with a 500MM prime and 1.4 TC, reaching up to 700 MM in totall times 1.3 crop. But if i'm not mistaking, i heard him talking about wanting to buy a new combination which will give him 1000 MM. so be prepared for more pics!
Iwan Bogels wrote:Hi Bas,Boudewijn van Oirschot wrote:No of course he is not god. He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity.
About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me.
Martijn has broken the invisible boundries of civil aviation photography. Until his arrival here at Scramble "collection shots" were standard within the civil aviation community. Martijn obviously has a passion for photography, and his favorite subject seems to be aviation & nature (combined if possible). Next to that he has "the Eye" to see beauty, where most of us were blinded by shooting rarity rather than beauty.
By now you see two groups of people breaking out of the traditional box: People who love Nusty's work and try if they can make a similar shot for their own collection, and people who have seen "the light" and dare to be creative in their own way. I know it's a thin line, but at least Martijn's work has been an eye-opener to several people who got stuck in the traditional hobby. So, well done Nusty !
As for Nusty's equipment, if I'm not mistaking he has been using a 5D and/or 1D in combination with a fixed 500mm lens. This will give him either 500 or 650 mm when you consider the cropfactor of the cameras. Most of us at this forum use cameras with 1.5 or 1.6 cropfactors, so if you have a 400mm lens you have the equivalent of a 600 / 640 mm lens. This means that Nusty doesn't have more reach than people with 80-400 or 100-400 lenses. The only difference is that the 500 prime provides just a bit higher quality in sharpness than the zooms do. I think this means that the creative restriction is just in your mind, and you just need to try harder to make it show.
Hope this helps you improve yourself even further.
Cheers.
Iwan
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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
Let me give a short reaction.
What I think I see here, is a tendency for wanting us (Scramble/the mods) to regulate anything that people find imperfect. The backside of that is clear: way too much rules, too little freedom for all, and too much work for us. We prefer self-regulation, and co-operation by the participants. Thus far, this has worked very well.
Did you gents (and a lady or two) know this forum was really just born to keep photos out of info-topics, in order to minimize download times in those? Obviously, it is a great thrill to see how this has grown. But with growth come complications, and it is our goal to keep these to a minimum. We are on the verge of suggesting a new feature with regard to showing photos on the board, just a little patience for that please.
Meanwhile, I must stress that Scramble's main interest is still spotting, notwithstanding the love for photography by many of our readers, posters, and editors alike. So far, we have felt the well-known online platforms for photography are far more suited than our own message board. Besides, we really lack the time to do anything structural in this direction. This is not to say things should never change, but expect no big moves form our side in the near future...
Erik
Nonsense, and you know it. I know you do.ErwinS wrote:The Cub.
edit. removed since this photo forum is no longer for special visitors.
Discussions and observations are made by many, the decision to remove your photo(s) just by you.Vincent wrote:Removed due to useless discussion, always the same story here last couple of months
Hmm... sounds familiarwild weasel wrote: aviation photography and aviation photography
Why should there be a separate forum? What is so hard about indicating in a topic title what the topic is about? That's what they invented titles for, isn't it..? For example, think of 'Schiphol regulars in fog 11 December' in stead of 'EHAM/AMS 11-12-10'. Just my € 0.02.wild weasel wrote:If scramble will open a new specific Forum for "our" kind of photography, i will be more then willing to move over there, but there simply isn't any.ErwinS wrote:These artistic shots of everyday visitors should be posted elsewhere imo.
What I think I see here, is a tendency for wanting us (Scramble/the mods) to regulate anything that people find imperfect. The backside of that is clear: way too much rules, too little freedom for all, and too much work for us. We prefer self-regulation, and co-operation by the participants. Thus far, this has worked very well.
Did you gents (and a lady or two) know this forum was really just born to keep photos out of info-topics, in order to minimize download times in those? Obviously, it is a great thrill to see how this has grown. But with growth come complications, and it is our goal to keep these to a minimum. We are on the verge of suggesting a new feature with regard to showing photos on the board, just a little patience for that please.
Meanwhile, I must stress that Scramble's main interest is still spotting, notwithstanding the love for photography by many of our readers, posters, and editors alike. So far, we have felt the well-known online platforms for photography are far more suited than our own message board. Besides, we really lack the time to do anything structural in this direction. This is not to say things should never change, but expect no big moves form our side in the near future...
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Re: About this forum
Points taken Erik but above point you mentioned is what I meant.Key wrote:Meanwhile, I must stress that Scramble's main interest is still spotting
Erik
Scramble is about spotting, not photography. And if there is a photo forum at a spotting site I would like to see the aircraft wich are the main reason for spotters, the rare and interesting vistors. Just my own opinion and true it's my own decision to remove my pictures.
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Re: About this forum
Erik...
Thanks for your input on this matter. And yes, this one is yours, i repeatedly say it.......cause it says so much in one sentence
aviation photography instead of aviation photography....
I got this one from you and i use it allmost on a daily basis, so thanks for that!
But untill further notice, i (and i think i will not be the only one) will keep posting my NON spotters pics here.
Greeties Menno
Thanks for your input on this matter. And yes, this one is yours, i repeatedly say it.......cause it says so much in one sentence
aviation photography instead of aviation photography....
I got this one from you and i use it allmost on a daily basis, so thanks for that!
But untill further notice, i (and i think i will not be the only one) will keep posting my NON spotters pics here.
Greeties Menno
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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
Erik, this is the answer, everyone's happy... It's so easy... Leave the "EHAM Schiphol 12-12-2010" topic for the spotter kind of shots, like rare stuff and make a more specific one for shots like we see the last few months.Key wrote: That's what they invented titles for, isn't it..? For example, think of 'Schiphol regulars in fog 11 December' in stead of 'EHAM/AMS 11-12-10'. Just my € 0.02
Erik
-In general-, one comment about the "Nusty-fication", it just a bunch of horse-==censored== that if someone shoots a "different then a spotter kind of picture, that it is a "Nusty" shot, in fact, that really makes my hair stand up straight. Everyone can shoot pictures like that, just put in the same time as Martijn does. (or who-ever standing at Schiphol, Gilze or which ever field or spot near a field almost every live long day). It is just a matter of using your creative imagination. I agree with Iwan on the creative eye part of Martijn, but just ask him and he will tell you he is actually "king of crop" which is also a big part of 'creating' an image, and not making. But who doesn't do that ocassionally?
Really, stop thinking you can only do photography with the most expensive and best cameras and lenses that money can buy. There are lots of examples around that show the opposite. It will however make your life more easy if you know how to handle it. (And there are a lot of people around that start to known how to use their camera's....
In the end, if you don't like it, don't watch it. And don't expect anything. Have fun!
Greetz,
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Re: About this forum
Thanks for the positive reactions, chaps. Let's be inventive and indicate to each other what to expect.
About equipment: it cannot make you a better photographer, it can only limit your options at a certain point. Those who have developed their skills far enough to really make use of sophisticated equipment will often be the ones whose photos stand out. It is fascinating to see how some of our regular posters make great progress, while others have been inspiring us from the start. Amidst all that, the reporting aspect of photography holds its own ground, especially in a plane spotting environment.
Enjoy,
Erik
About equipment: it cannot make you a better photographer, it can only limit your options at a certain point. Those who have developed their skills far enough to really make use of sophisticated equipment will often be the ones whose photos stand out. It is fascinating to see how some of our regular posters make great progress, while others have been inspiring us from the start. Amidst all that, the reporting aspect of photography holds its own ground, especially in a plane spotting environment.
Enjoy,
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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
Iwan Bogels wrote:Hi Bas,Boudewijn van Oirschot wrote:No of course he is not god. He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity.
About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me.
Martijn has broken the invisible boundries of civil aviation photography. Until his arrival here at Scramble "collection shots" were standard within the civil aviation community. Martijn obviously has a passion for photography, and his favorite subject seems to be aviation & nature (combined if possible). Next to that he has "the Eye" to see beauty, where most of us were blinded by shooting rarity rather than beauty.
By now you see two groups of people breaking out of the traditional box: People who love Nusty's work and try if they can make a similar shot for their own collection, and people who have seen "the light" and dare to be creative in their own way. I know it's a thin line, but at least Martijn's work has been an eye-opener to several people who got stuck in the traditional hobby. So, well done Nusty !
As for Nusty's equipment, if I'm not mistaking he has been using a 5D and/or 1D in combination with a fixed 500mm lens. This will give him either 500 or 650 mm when you consider the cropfactor of the cameras. Most of us at this forum use cameras with 1.5 or 1.6 cropfactors, so if you have a 400mm lens you have the equivalent of a 600 / 640 mm lens. This means that Nusty doesn't have more reach than people with 80-400 or 100-400 lenses. The only difference is that the 500 prime provides just a bit higher quality in sharpness than the zooms do. I think this means that the creative restriction is just in your mind, and you just need to try harder to make it show.
Hope this helps you improve yourself even further.
Cheers.
Iwan
+2 from me like others said before its not the equipment that makes a good photo's i should know it took me five years to get the most out of my camera.Andras wrote:Erik, this is the answer, everyone's happy... It's so easy... Leave the "EHAM Schiphol 12-12-2010" topic for the spotter kind of shots, like rare stuff and make a more specific one for shots like we see the last few months.Key wrote: That's what they invented titles for, isn't it..? For example, think of 'Schiphol regulars in fog 11 December' in stead of 'EHAM/AMS 11-12-10'. Just my € 0.02
Erik
-In general-, one comment about the "Nusty-fication", it just a bunch of horse-==censored== that if someone shoots a "different then a spotter kind of picture, that it is a "Nusty" shot, in fact, that really makes my hair stand up straight. Everyone can shoot pictures like that, just put in the same time as Martijn does. (or who-ever standing at Schiphol, Gilze or which ever field or spot near a field almost every live long day). It is just a matter of using your creative imagination. I agree with Iwan on the creative eye part of Martijn, but just ask him and he will tell you he is actually "king of crop" which is also a big part of 'creating' an image, and not making. But who doesn't do that ocassionally?
Really, stop thinking you can only do photography with the most expensive and best cameras and lenses that money can buy. There are lots of examples around that show the opposite. It will however make your life more easy if you know how to handle it. (And there are a lot of people around that start to known how to use their camera's....
In the end, if you don't like it, don't watch it. And don't expect anything. Have fun!
Greetz,
A good lens surely would help but is not always necessary, knowing your equipment is!!
Thanks to some people that i have met trough this and other sites people like Iwan , Roel and Andras for example benefited to better photography and results.
So keep on sharing your experience and shots.
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Re: About this forum
Hi ya.
The reason why I have joined this forum is the tendency to post exactly these "artistic shots of everyday visitors":
I have learned here the opportunities of an taking off KLM 777 in realy bad weather (or in Hamburg a Lufthansel 737). I have seen this a/c a thousand times, but there is always the change of a new angle....If everybody is bored by the result, I have done it not in a good way.
In my "home forum" often the "corner to corner, mainwheel over mainwheel pictures in perfect light" faction rules. The result of a massive appereance of these "perfect shots" of "special visitors" (especially if you be a visitor on the foreign soil, where nearly every a/c is a special for you) is in my point of view is boredom, too. Therefore I really appreciate this kind of "artistic shots of everyday visitors".
In my opinion is upfront selection of the posted pictures is in this regard more cruical then the used equipment.
Regards,
Christian
The reason why I have joined this forum is the tendency to post exactly these "artistic shots of everyday visitors":
I have learned here the opportunities of an taking off KLM 777 in realy bad weather (or in Hamburg a Lufthansel 737). I have seen this a/c a thousand times, but there is always the change of a new angle....If everybody is bored by the result, I have done it not in a good way.
In my "home forum" often the "corner to corner, mainwheel over mainwheel pictures in perfect light" faction rules. The result of a massive appereance of these "perfect shots" of "special visitors" (especially if you be a visitor on the foreign soil, where nearly every a/c is a special for you) is in my point of view is boredom, too. Therefore I really appreciate this kind of "artistic shots of everyday visitors".
In my opinion is upfront selection of the posted pictures is in this regard more cruical then the used equipment.
Regards,
Christian
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Hi Christian,
Cheers,
Iwan
Cheers,
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Stubenfliege 2 wrote:Hi ya.
The reason why I have joined this forum is the tendency to post exactly these "artistic shots of everyday visitors":
I have learned here the opportunities of an taking off KLM 777 in realy bad weather (or in Hamburg a Lufthansel 737). I have seen this a/c a thousand times, but there is always the change of a new angle....If everybody is bored by the result, I have done it not in a good way.
In my "home forum" often the "corner to corner, mainwheel over mainwheel pictures in perfect light" faction rules. The result of a massive appereance of these "perfect shots" of "special visitors" (especially if you be a visitor on the foreign soil, where nearly every a/c is a special for you) is in my point of view is boredom, too. Therefore I really appreciate this kind of "artistic shots of everyday visitors".
In my opinion is upfront selection of the posted pictures is in this regard more cruical then the used equipment.
Regards,
Christian
Amen
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Re: Schiphol EHAM 09-12-2010 Photo
Well said Ripper! and Christian, supertoll-affentieten-sauber gesagt! guess the "naming the right topic" will do everyone a big favor!+2 from me like others said before its not the equipment that makes a good photo's i should know it took me five years to get the most out of my camera.
A good lens surely would help but is not always necessary, knowing your equipment is!!
Thanks to some people that i have met trough this and other sites people like Iwan , Roel and Andras for example benefited to better photography and results.
So keep on sharing your experience and shots.
Greetz!
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EHAM/Schiphol 14-12-2010
Hi all,
I think it’s time to explain the bases of Scramble and this forum cause people are miscommunicating a lot lot lately. I’m only reading nagging and nagging but no-one explains why.
First of all, i don’t give a f*ck what is see at the Scramble forum, i check what i like and i skip what i don’t like but lately i only find bashing and nagging and „MISScommunication” almost every topic i open.
Scramble is all about movements and reporting unusual stuff. A topic named 14-12-2010 EHAM Schiphol will be checked for rare movement or visitors. (That is the purpose of that topic title) If someone is looking into that topic and finds pictures of regulars they are likely to react like ("Boring zzzz”, „Nothing to see here” or whatever harsh kinda feeling comment) because the pictures are not created in the right topic. There is nothing wrong with the pictures but you could translate the comment like „nothing to see here” as follows:
"Hey, that’s strange, i opened this topic of Amsterdam to check the unusual stuff present today but all i saw was some shots of all the regulars at Schiphol. That is not where this topic title is for. They should use another one instead. This is so totally NOT interesting as unusual or rare, in-fact this happens a lot lately. Oh well, i just write „nothing to see here” and maybe they get the message.
or
"=censored=, i post a rare visitor and no-one comments on this but instead i find all the regulars clogging up the topic, why don’t they just call the topic „Regulars at Schiphol Photo testing or LARGE photo post” What happened to the good old days people just used the correct topics for their messages? ==> 1 day later „Good lord, the topic exploded with all kinds of great pictures of planes and my post of that rare visitor just vanished in the constant waterfall of cool pictures. Oh well, i just remove my post and try another day.”
At the moment a lot of people think „ Hey this is the photo forum (correct) so i can post my shots here" (also correct/-use the right topicname) There are a few rules which sometimes get thrown in by the old school guys but maybe the new guys don’t really understand why it is that every time people start posting pictures, some are yelling "Boring” or whatever not expected comment.
Topics like "Airshow 17-7-2007 EHVK Volkel” or other NON regular topics ( ) never have these problems because everyone understand the purpose of that topic title!!
"Ah, my pictures of the open days, i can post them in this topic, wow a lot of great or not so great shots, i hope someone comments on mine”
I hope this makes a few things more clear cause i just want to read fun stuff and look at pictures.
Greetz,
p.s. I am just using some examples here, nothing to do with who-ever posted it in the past.
I think it’s time to explain the bases of Scramble and this forum cause people are miscommunicating a lot lot lately. I’m only reading nagging and nagging but no-one explains why.
First of all, i don’t give a f*ck what is see at the Scramble forum, i check what i like and i skip what i don’t like but lately i only find bashing and nagging and „MISScommunication” almost every topic i open.
Scramble is all about movements and reporting unusual stuff. A topic named 14-12-2010 EHAM Schiphol will be checked for rare movement or visitors. (That is the purpose of that topic title) If someone is looking into that topic and finds pictures of regulars they are likely to react like ("Boring zzzz”, „Nothing to see here” or whatever harsh kinda feeling comment) because the pictures are not created in the right topic. There is nothing wrong with the pictures but you could translate the comment like „nothing to see here” as follows:
"Hey, that’s strange, i opened this topic of Amsterdam to check the unusual stuff present today but all i saw was some shots of all the regulars at Schiphol. That is not where this topic title is for. They should use another one instead. This is so totally NOT interesting as unusual or rare, in-fact this happens a lot lately. Oh well, i just write „nothing to see here” and maybe they get the message.
or
"=censored=, i post a rare visitor and no-one comments on this but instead i find all the regulars clogging up the topic, why don’t they just call the topic „Regulars at Schiphol Photo testing or LARGE photo post” What happened to the good old days people just used the correct topics for their messages? ==> 1 day later „Good lord, the topic exploded with all kinds of great pictures of planes and my post of that rare visitor just vanished in the constant waterfall of cool pictures. Oh well, i just remove my post and try another day.”
At the moment a lot of people think „ Hey this is the photo forum (correct) so i can post my shots here" (also correct/-use the right topicname) There are a few rules which sometimes get thrown in by the old school guys but maybe the new guys don’t really understand why it is that every time people start posting pictures, some are yelling "Boring” or whatever not expected comment.
Topics like "Airshow 17-7-2007 EHVK Volkel” or other NON regular topics ( ) never have these problems because everyone understand the purpose of that topic title!!
"Ah, my pictures of the open days, i can post them in this topic, wow a lot of great or not so great shots, i hope someone comments on mine”
I hope this makes a few things more clear cause i just want to read fun stuff and look at pictures.
Greetz,
p.s. I am just using some examples here, nothing to do with who-ever posted it in the past.
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As 95% of this problem seems to boil down to (and persist in) the daily Schiphol topics, let's start by tagging these with Regulars where applicable.
Seeing that tag will make clear what the subjects are, and often these will be posted for the photographic aspects.
Erik
Seeing that tag will make clear what the subjects are, and often these will be posted for the photographic aspects.
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EHAM/Schiphol 14-12-2010
Andreas question: If for some reason I had a great day at Schiphol with some great photos, but I missed al the unusual visitors, am I allowed to post in a topic about Schiphol or not? Cause from what I read, your now only allowed to post photos here if there are any unusual movements on the airports.
And what about Eindhoven, Maastricht, Rotterdam, Volkel, Leeuwarden, Gilze-Rijen, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Heathrow, Luton or other airports that keep showing up here in the photo forum.
And why are the movements, including the regulars ones posted in the movement forums? They could be deleted also, right? Only unusaul movements for that matter. Cause those regular movements are boring to some.
I hope I got it wrong, and that every photo and movement is welcome.
Cause with all those negative post, in my eyes, Scramble is losing its charm to be a great place to exercise the hobby in many ways.
And I'm reading a lot about that the hobby is growing old and not many young people are participating in the hobby, and does it help when a young guy is posting his first pictures with his new camera and immediately people start bragging about his photos being boring. Does that really help in promoting the hobby?
And what about Eindhoven, Maastricht, Rotterdam, Volkel, Leeuwarden, Gilze-Rijen, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Heathrow, Luton or other airports that keep showing up here in the photo forum.
And why are the movements, including the regulars ones posted in the movement forums? They could be deleted also, right? Only unusaul movements for that matter. Cause those regular movements are boring to some.
I hope I got it wrong, and that every photo and movement is welcome.
Cause with all those negative post, in my eyes, Scramble is losing its charm to be a great place to exercise the hobby in many ways.
And I'm reading a lot about that the hobby is growing old and not many young people are participating in the hobby, and does it help when a young guy is posting his first pictures with his new camera and immediately people start bragging about his photos being boring. Does that really help in promoting the hobby?
Cheers, Michel