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cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 30 Dec 2007, 01:27

Edit: thread starter had asked to remove his postings.

Hiya,

What i think of your photo doesn't matter.

What you think is more important, so what do you think ?

Chris.

Post by **Key** » 30 Dec 2007, 13:17

Well, since uh60a asks us it does matter.

A decent pic by all means, especially given the backlight. What could be improved IMHO is
- very slight rotation to get those light poles really vertical
- get rid of the blue cast
- improve the shadow areas (terminal, tunnel)
and perhaps get the white of the US Aw plane a bit less harsh.
As for the compostion, if the tailfin would be separated from the US Aw wing it would look better. Obviously, I don't know if there was room on the right for that kind of composition.

Erik

Flyboy · Post by **Flyboy** » 30 Dec 2007, 14:01

Since you ask I will give my honoust opinion.

First I thought: nice picture, as it is a Dutch plane in Sun Country colours.
It works a bit like the shots shown in the news on television. If the news value is increases, the picture quality may decrease: for example the assacination of Buttho are sh*tty pictures but sunce the news value is extreemly high it is shown.

Now back to your picture: It is the shadow side of the aircraft, while the sunny side would be much fancyer. This says it all. I understand that you took it. If it were a regular KLM 737, would you have made the same picture and asked the same question??

Regards, Marc

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » 30 Dec 2007, 14:26

Generally I like the shot, as it is probably almost the maximum you could get out of this situation. Maybe one shot later would have eliminated the wall in the lower left corner but that's nitpicking..
I'm also not very bothered by the whole background, to me shot's don't always have to be 'clean', a nice mix makes a collection better imho..
However, I think a couple of improvements can be made in the editing. As said by others , contrast is an issue (always with counterlight situations) but the first thing that strikes me is a blue-ish haze, personally I'd like to see the shot a bit warmer although making it a bit warmer may also make the tarmac to orange.
I always find it very difficult to get the right tone, just imagine this exact same shot with a predominantly red/orange aircraft!

Post by **Key** » 30 Dec 2007, 14:57

Obviously, we don't want to overdo it. To be sure: I'm not bothered by the background at all, I'm not a fan of those forcedly 'clean' photos. I just think that waiting one second would improve the composition if there is room on the right. But I think I see shadows there indicating otherwise...
This is how I would adjust the image:

-- photo removed --

Erik

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » 30 Dec 2007, 20:49

Indeed, this just looks a bit softer and is more pleasant to watch as the ''sharp edges'' have been removed so to speak. A bit warmer, a bit less contrast and a bit more balanced because the distraction in the left lower corner has been reduced, sdo just small editing issues..

Still, the point from which this photo was taken, I wouldn't mind spending a day there!

sfeyenoord1 · Post by **sfeyenoord1** » 30 Dec 2007, 23:13

The Photographer with the camera makes the best shots, not a guy who knows how photoshop works, because you wont make a good picture with it.

Of course of special shots that can be made better you improve it, but to make the shot the best when you make the picture is best. It will also save you some time

Post by **Key** » 31 Dec 2007, 00:16

With digital photography post-processing is a must, IMHO. But I absolutely agree the photo is made when releasing the shutter. Incidentally, one of the attractive challenges of film photography - especially slides - is to get everything right at that moment.

Erik

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » 31 Dec 2007, 07:53

I've always been a slide photographer and for a couple of years a real 'hard-core' one. Ofcourse the pic is made at the moment you press the button, but I think in case there are powers beyond your own the whole digital process can eliminate many frustrating moments you would get with slides. If you're a purist you can call it cheating, I tend to call it added hobby-fun.
And ofcourse there's editing and editing... I never suggested brushing the building/tractor away, nor did Key suggest to photoshop the plane in the background away. But editing (sharpening/dustspots /contrast) is a must, and to improve a shot slightly by changing a few settings is something completely different than photoshopping people, buildings, fire-extinguishers, cars or whatever away....

Post by **Key** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:38

Absolutely. I see it as the digital darkroom, that about sums up the possibilities I think. And out of those, I too choose to process but not edit my photos. If you start changing scenes, there is no end. It's perfectly OK for certain goals like advertisements, but not for my goal.

Erik

sfeyenoord1 · Post by **sfeyenoord1** » 31 Dec 2007, 11:38

Agree on that myself i use levels/brightness contrast/sharpen only case i photoshop something away is a dust spot, or when somebody's head is in a left corner (who just went standing a lil'bit to the right...) but not getting objects etc away for a clear shot.

SpotterNL · Post by **SpotterNL** » 01 Jan 2008, 15:20

Not for this picture, but for next time you're out. You might want to try the parking garage at T2 as it offers early morning possibilities for the nothern runway.

FALCONCREST · Post by **FALCONCREST** » 07 Jan 2008, 12:41

how about this example?

Did it in a couple of minutes, just to show how i more or less would do it...
feel free to comment!

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