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Post by canberra »

cHabu wrote:(I usually take 'side-on' photo's.)
So do I. Of the hole aircraft with all its pieces even :oops:
Janos wrote:I think you still don't know what I mean.
I know what you mean, I would not cut an aircraft part off if I didn't like it better that way. But for me there is nothing holly about parts, especially wings and stabilazers.

Close-up is a totally different story like Chris' modified Citation pic. But they have to be shot that way to keep detail. I am talking about croping a complete aircraft to get the best out of it.

Janos, I think we understand each other. We just don't agree :wink:

PS. still think my Citation pic works :|O:
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Post by Redskin »

Guys,
As I said before, it is a personal thing. If you don't like cropped photo's DON'T LOOK AT THEM, the person who made and cropped the photo likes it that way Respect that and stop complaining about missing parts.
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Redskin wrote: Respect that and stop complaining about missing parts.
Eeeerrrr, we're not complaining.

This is a discussion..... ;)

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Post by Warthog 71 »

I actually thought the last “side shot 50mm photographer” died some time ago but it seems some are still alive. It’s not only about the plane, with a good composition a photo “speaks” while other pic’s only show…

And by the way, if you don’t “crop” but make the photo without specific parts, does this change this matter?



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Post by ruudb »

totaly agree with you janos even on what they say the best website they accept pictures like that, don't know why they don't reject those!! Just an example: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1202759/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Of course it is all a matter of opinion and as such we will never agree. Fine by me and I respect your opinion.
To me, cropping pictures is OK even if plane parts are taken off. Basically the rule for me is:
- I want the aircraft centered in the picture
- I don't want to have a large part of the picture 'empty'
To show you what I mean the following at A.net. The first picture has the complete aircraft, from wingtip to nose. However, because of the angle, you get the plane on the right and the wing on the left. So, aircraft is not centered and you have a lot of 'empty' picture on the left.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1200769/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The next shot shows a little bit the same, with the plane in flight. Again, by keeping the whole plane in the picture you get an off balanced picture (the way I see it anyway).
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1204906/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In this picture however, the picture is cropped and part of the wing is chopped off. In my opinion the picture is much better balaneced, as now the plane is in the center and there is not much 'empty' space.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1204173/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However, in the example ruudb gives, there is no need to chop of the tailend. This indeed looks like a 'bad' picture to me. If the whole plane was on it you will still have it centered without much empty space. So in that case I wouldn't have cropped it.

The way of course, to eliminate the problem all together is taking side shots. But only taking side shots gets too boring, so I just need to crop a little and actually, those pictures often look better to me than the side shots....

Yes, it is a matter of personal opinion....

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Post by Janos »

If you didn't know, the most aircraft are made of a body with two wings and a tail, so why should you only center the body ????????
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Janos wrote:If you didn't know, the most aircraft are made of a body with two wings and a tail, so why should you only center the body ????????
Haha, thanks for clearing that out! :wink: Well, I think I pointed out why I like to do that on some pictures. After that it is personal opinion.

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Because of that, I was just joking.
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Post by warthog64 »

I like both,

some examples,

'normal',

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'crop'

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'normal'

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'crop'

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Post by Redskin301 »

There is nothing wrong with cropping a piece of the wing out of the picture; that's my opinion. It is becase when you don't, you will get many "not filled with aircraft" surface on the photo. Some people like this manner and some doesn't; choose your own favorite!! For me it doesn't matter which one you choose, but mostly i choose for the crop methode. Why; because i think for most situations it is the best composition of the aircraft, but that is my opinion. I don't like picture from only the side and when you take pictures from another angle you will get many lost spaces on the picture if you don't crop!!
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Redskin301 wrote:There is nothing wrong with cropping a piece of the wing out of the picture; that's my opinion. ......... Why; because i think for most situations it is the best composition of the aircraft,....
I agree...
As in all hobbies (and especially photographing) there is a learning curve that every one has to go through. Something like this (not essetially all the steps ofcourse or in this sequence)

First you take a picture of a plane with the old "rits..rats..klik" or throw-away camera
Then you discover a zoomlens and start to zoom in to get a full picture
Then you start to follow the aircraft in motion and it becomes difficult the longer your lens get. As ou practice planes get better centered and sometimes you accidentally loose a nose, tail or wingtip (believe me, I threw away many picture like that)
Then you start worrying about the background, foreground, lighting, etc.
The you buy new equipment because of vignetting in the lens, sharpness etc.
Than you start Photoshopping because you think you can improve the picture and crops are better.

The difference between not having wingtips or things like that is wheter you do it by accident or on purpose.
Roel (warthog) has shown nice pictures where the crop is on purpose, not an incident. He probably thought about the crop before he took the picture in order to get the most pixels.
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[quote
Roel (warthog) has shown nice pictures where the crop is on purpose, not an incident. He probably thought about the crop before he took the picture in order to get the most pixels.[/quote]

absolutely right
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Post by Iwan Bogels »

Well, maybe it's time to throw the stick in the hen house,

Many people here are collectors of aviation pictures. Their goal is to have a clear shot of an aircraft, preferably with the registration number visible and all parts of the aircraft within view. They are more interested in the individual aircraft itself, rather than the artistic quality of the photo. These people should be known as photographing spotters.

Just a few people here are dedicated photographers who try to catch the beauty of aviation. Their goal is to express their fascination for an aircraft and create shots that catch the eye. These people are creators rather than collectors, so aviation photographer is a much more suitable name for these dedicated hobbyists.

Knowing a little bit about the collecting side of the hobby, I was shocked to learn that some aviation collectors actually have specific demands for their shots. They have rules like: "Sunny Kodachrome rampshots, 50mm, with the main gear exactly lined up behind eachother". To me this is what I would call "kaartenbak fotografie". If you pay close attention you will notice that civil spotting is much more narrow minded about photography than the military side. Just open any Scarmble and count the number of photos with flying civil aircraft. It's appaling ! But this is just an example.

Maybe it's wise not to compare the work of photographing spotters and aviation photographers, as their goals are just not the same. It's like billiards and snooker: They both work with cue and balls, but they each play a very different game.

Just my two cents...

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Post by Flyboy »

I agree with Iwan.
Furthermore, as I stated, I think that most people start as numbercollector or photographing spotter and then (maybe) evolve in aviation photographers. It depends on what you want.

Frankly: I have 6000 slides framed in the boxes with nice planes on it.
I have 12.000 slides (aproximately, i didn't count them) which I rejected in the past but never threw away. This now is my jewel as many shots that I rejected in the past as the registration number was not good enough visible are now the pride and joy of my collection.

On a rainy winterday I love to dig in those rejected pictures, escepcially now I can digitise them and work on them with photoshop. 10 more jears of fun ahead :D
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